1992-11-24 Planning Comm MinutesCITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
NOVEMBER 24, 1992
The regular meeting of the Mendota Heights Planning Commission was
held on Tuesday, November 24, 1992, in the City Hall Council
Chambers, 1101 Victoria Curve. The meeting was called to order at
7:33 o'clock P.M. The following members were present: Koll,
Friel, Dreelan, Dwyer, Krebsbach, Duggan and Tilsen. Also present
were Public Works Director Jim Danielson, Planning Consultant Tana
Peterson-Sisley, Administrative Assistant Kevin Batchelder and
Senior Secretary Kim Blaeser.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Koll moved to approve the October 27, 1992,
Minutes.
Commissioner Krebsbach seconded the motion.
AYES: 5
NAYS: 0
ABSTAIN: 2, DREELAN, DUGGAN
CONTINUED HEARING:
CASE NO. 92-31:.
MAZZARA -
SOMERSET PUD
Chair Dwyer gave a brief summary of the October 24th
Planning Commission meeting and explained the Commission
had continued the public hearing until their November
meeting to allow Mr. Mazzara sufficient time in preparing
additional information on soil tests, septic system
design, wetlands boundaries, trail easements, public
right-of-way and private covenants.
Chair Dwyer stated Commissioner Friel had phoned him
during the day regarding criteria for PUD's as stated
within the Zoning Ordinance. Commissioner Friel quoted
an excerpt from Section 22.1, that a Planned Unit
Development shall be defined as any project utilizing ten
or more acres of contiguous land wherein there is (a)
more than one principal building per lot, or (b) more
than one use per lot. Commissioner Friel stated the
requested PUD meets the criteria for a project utilizing
ten or more acres but that the request does not meet the
requirements for more than one principal building per lot
ore more than one use per lot. Commissioner Friel
inquired as to why the applicant has been proceeding with
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the requested PUD if the Zoning Ordinance indicates the
requirements necessary for a PUD which the applicant has
not met. Public Works Director Danielson indicated there
may be a typographical error within the Ordinance.
Administrative Assistant Batchelder stated the intent of
the paragraph is unclear and that it will be researched.
Batchelder stated he is not aware of any circumstances
under which the City would desire to have two buildings
on one lot and that is why this particular ordinance
language is unclear. Chair Dwyer responded the City's
Attorney office should review the paragraph and give an
opinion on the intent of the language as stated within
Section 22.1 regarding the purpose and definition of
Planned Unit Developments.
Mr. Gerald Mazzara, representing the buyers of the Harris
property, distributed wetlands plans showing revised
setbacks and house locations. He explained that Lot l's
original wetland setback was indicated as a 110 foot
setback and is now 100 feet. He explained Lot 2 would be
adjusted to 100 feet from the wetlands and Lot 3 would be
150 feet from the wetlands.
Commissioner Duggan stated he had walked the site earlier
today and that he would agree with the setback as
indicated for Lot 1. He noted his concerns for Lots 2
and 3 as the plan does not seem clear in the setback
location as he had observed while at the site.
Administrative Assistant Batchelder stated that he and
Planner Uban had visited the site on Monday, November 23,
1992 and noted stakes had been placed on the site to mark
the edge of the wetlands. He stated the plans submitted
by Mr. Mazzara tonight appear to be accurate but have not
yet been verified. He stated there was evidence that
soil borings had been done to define the edge of the
wetlands.
Commissioner Tilsen inquired if the exhibit presented
tonight is a certified plan submitted by the surveyor.
Mr. Mazzara stated the exhibit is not a certified plan of
the wetlands. Commissioner Tilsen stated he had visited
the site and the exhibit seems to be accurate but that he
would like to see a certified copy of the plan to verify
the accuracy of the wetlands boundaries.
Commissioner Krebsbach inquired as to what percentage of
land is wetlands verses percentage of non wetlands. Mr.
Mazzara estimated twenty-two percent. Commissioner
Krebsbach inquired if the calculation of land used for
roads, houses, etc. is subtracted from the total amount
of land needed to locate septic systems. Mr. Mazzara
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briefly explained the proposed septic areas stating
10,000 square feet of land would be used which would
allow enough room for two drainage fields per lot.
Public Works Director Danielson informed the Commission
that the area needed for septic systems depends upon the
type of soil.
There was a brief discussion regarding the water level
table as indicated on the plans at 12 1/2 feet. Mr.
Mazzara explained there are different ways of rating
soils when constructing a drainage field system and the
development of homes. He explained Lots 2 and 3 will
need the construction of a mound system to help correct
the soil conditions for the drainage fields. Chair Dwyer
noted the soil reports, as submitted, were done 17 years
ago. Mr. Mazzara stated the soil conditions have not
changed.
Commissioner Tilsen stated it appears that the water
table is close to the elevation of the wetlands. He
further stated a septic system can be within four feet of
the water level. He further noted his concerns for long
term reliability of septic systems constructed close to
the wetlands. He wondered if people are educated in
environmental issues regarding the use of septic systems
and the potential hazards of those systems next to
wetlands. Mr. Mazzara stated that one system per lot is
mandatory and that they are planning for double capacity
systems for each site.
In response to a question from Chair Dwyer, Mr. Mazzara
explained the soil boring tests. He noted the test
indicates that Lots 1, 2 and 4 is sand and Lot 3 is peat.
Chair Dwyer responded there seems to be large gaps of
knowledge regarding the soil borings and stated the
Planning Commission is at a disadvantage in determining
the veracity of information.
In response to a question from Commissioner Krebsbach,
Mr. Mazzara stated the building envelopes are 100' by
150'.
In response to a question from Commissioner Dreelan, Mr.
Mazzara stated trail easements are not shown on the plans
as he has indicated he will provide the private easements
as soon as he is told where it is appropriate.
Mr. Mazzara stated private streets are preferred and that
a dedication of utility easements of thirty feet (30')
would be adequate. Commissioner Friel responded he is
unpersuaded that a sixty foot (60') public right-of-way
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is not needed. Mr. Mazzara stated it does not matter if
there is a sixty foot (60') or thirty foot (30') right-
of-way as long as it is a private easement. He stated
the intentions are to protect the trees.
Commissioner Friel stated a sixty foot public right-of-
way gives access to the extent that it may be necessary
for the City to install utilities. He stated a public
right-of-way with private road over it would be fine. He
stated it would not be necessary to remove any trees. He
further stated private roads are not permitted in areas
except where designated as a planned unit development.
He stated this application does not meet the planned unit
development requirements.
As directed by Chair Dwyer, Public Works Director
Danielson explained sixty feet (60') is a standard right-
of-way width in which the City can construct a thirty-
three foot (33') wide City street which would then be
able to serve public and private utilities. He explained
Mr. Mazzara is requesting private easements for utilities
but not streets. He further stated there needs to be
thirty-five feet (35') minimum to construct sanitary
sewer and water utilities. He stated Mr. Mazzara is
asking for twenty feet (20'). Commissioner Friel
responded he would like to see a public right-of-way with
a private street.
Mr. Bill Burg, representing the owner's Mr. and Mrs.
Harris, stated at the neighborhood meeting, the residents
of the area unanimously responded to not having a public
road constructed. Mr. Burg further read a letter
submitted by the Harris' indicating their opposition to
public roads in the area.
Commissioner Duggan noted his concerns for removal of
trees in the area. He stated some trees could be removed
now should the public right-of-way come to light in the
future.
Commissioner Tilsen noted his concerns for the
environmental impact of septic systems constructed near
wetlands.
Chair Dwyer opened the meeting to the public.
Linda Garrett, 540 Wentworth Avenue, stated she lives
next to the Harris property. She stated she is
emotionally attached to the land in that there is
beautiful vegetation and much wildlife existing on the
property. She explained her home was constructed to be
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compatible with the land and that the City should not ask
for anything less of other builders. She stated the City
needs clear guidelines for future property owners. She
further submitted a petition to the Planning Commission
noting the area residents do not want a public road and
public right-of-way. She stated they would like to see
a twenty foot (20') private easement on this particular
case. She further stated the would like to see a minimum
of 2 1/2 acres provided for septic systems and no more
than 40 percent tree removal for all development in this
area. She further stated a height limitation of thirty
feet (30') should be placed on the homes constructed in
the area.
Mr. Garrett, 540 Wentworth Avenue, stated their concerns
for public roads is safety. He stated a public road
entering on Wentworth Avenue would be dangerous. He
stated an easement for public roads in the future is very
disturbing.
Ted Weyerhaueser, 610 Wentworth Avenue, stated he
supports the PUD proposal and he would like to see a
better definition of the wetlands in the area.
Jack Sjoholm, 1611 Delaware Avenue, stated he supports
the petition as submitted and that he wants to see the
character of the neighborhood preserved.
Commissioner Krebsbach inquired if the potential buyers
of the Harris property would consider resubmitting a new
proposal showing two homes instead of three. Mr. Mazzara
responded economics necessitate that three lots be
developed. He further stated 2 1/2 acres per parcel can
be done if the wetlands outlot was excluded.
Commissioner Duggan stated that preserving the character
of the neighborhood would be done if only two lots would
be developed not three.
Chair Dwyer stated that any construction of a house on
the property will change the character of the land. He
stated the Planning Commission cannot recommend approval
given the lack of environmental information. He further
stated City staff has not been given the information
necessary to adequately inform the Planning Commission in
forming a recommendation to the City Council. He stated
this request is a significant issue to the neighbors and
City.
Commissioner Friel stated he is not interested in a
public right-of-way through Marie Avenue. He further
stated the City's ordinances have to be followed. He
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
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further stated he is not interested in having trees
removed. He noted his concerns for the unclear wetlands
boundaries. He further stated the City's ordinance
establishes height limitations regarding building
construction. He stated the superbiock area should be
developed on a case by case basis.
Mr. Mazzara stated his concerns about the recent planned
unit development questions the Commission has indicated.
He stated staff had directed him to proceed in this
fashion. He stated that after months of work, he is now
being told that this request cannot be a planned unit
development. Chair Dwyer responded a legal opinion is
needed. Mr. Mazzara stated the request, as submitted, is
environmentally sound and respects the character of the
neighborhood. Chair Dwyer responded the Planning
Commission respects Mr. Mazzara's good faith efforts.
Commissioner Duggan moved to continue the public hearing
to January 26, 1993.
Commissioner Friel seconded the motion.
A brief discussion ensued over the continuance of the
meeting to January.
Commissioner Duggan withdrew his motion.
Commissioner Friel moved to continue the hearing to
December 22, 1992 at 7:30 o'clock P.M.
Commissioner Krebsbach seconded the motion.
Chair Dwyer informed Mr. Mazzara that he is to submit the
required information in a timely fashion so that City
staff can review the plans and then submit the
appropriate information to the Planning Commission. Mr.
Mazzara responded that he would. Chair Dwyer further
stated he would like to see a legal interpretation on
Section 22.1 of the Planned Unit Development section
within the Zoning Ordinance.
CASE NO. 92-34:
GRILZ -
VARIANCE
Mr. Donald Grilz, 715 Decorah Lane, was present to
discuss his request for a four foot (4') rear yard
setback variance, to allow the construction of a home
utility and storage facilities addition.
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Mr. Grilz informed the Planning Commission that his wife
had become disabled due to a stroke and that movement
around the house is difficult. He stated he would like
to have the utility area of his home located on one floor
to better help his wife.
In response to a question from Commissioner Tilsen, Mr.
Grilz stated he could not consider reducing the addition
by four feet as he needs to provide a larger garage area
to help his wife move in and out of the car.
Administrative Assistant Batchelder noted a 2.6 foot rear
yard setback variance had been granted on September 21,
1991 three houses down from Mr. Grilz.
Chair Dwyer stated all signatures of consent had been
received.
Chair Dwyer moved to waive the requirement for a public
hearing.
Commissioner Friel seconded the motion.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
Commissioner Duggan stated that Mr. Grilz had presented
a practical difficulty in providing wider corridors in
the utility area for handicapped movements and moved to
recommend that the City Council approve a four foot (4')
rear yard setback variance to allow construction of an
addition to 715 Decorah Lane.
Commissioner Koll seconded the motion.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
CASE NO. 92-35:
RUEPPERS -
VARIANCE
Mr. Joseph Kueppers, 28 Somerset Road, was present to
discuss his request for a variance to the setback
required for an accessory structure, in the R-1 Zone.
Mr. Kueppers explained that an older shed had existed on
the property in the rear yard. He stated the old shed
was torn down and he placed the new shed in the rear yard
at the southeast corner of his property. He stated he
thought the new placement of the shed was less obtrusive
than the original shed. He stated he received signatures
of consent from all of his neighbors.
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Chair Dwyer confirmed that Mr. Kueppers had received the
required signatures of consent.
Chair Dwyer moved to waive the required public hearing.
Commissioner Friel seconded the motion.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
Chair Dwyer stated it appears that there are other
options available to Mr. Kueppers that would not require
a variance. He further noted concerns for drainage as
indicated by Planner Uban's report. He inquired, if the
shed were to be re-oriented 90 degrees, would that
interfere with a tennis game.
In response to question from Commissioner Dreelan, Mr.
Kueppers stated he would provide landscaping around the
shed. Mr. Kueppers further explained there is a 4 x 4
base and that there is no easement for drainage on his
lot.
Commissioner Koll noted her concerns for drainage. She
stated area residents had indicated to her that there has
been flooding in the tennis court area in the past and
that if landscaping were installed it could compound the
problem.
Commissioner Friel stated Mr. Kueppers has not
demonstrated hardship or practical difficulty that would
justify a variance.
Planner Peterson-Sisley stated there is a fairly distinct
swale located on Mr. Kueppers property and that if
foliage were to build up due to the landscaping
installed, it could cause additional drainage concerns.
Mr. Kueppers stated he believes he has proven a hardship
in that he does not want to block the view of his
neighbors with a shed. He further stated the shed, as
constructed, does not interfere with drainage. He
further stated if the shed were rotated 90 degrees it
would cause interference in a tennis game.
Commissioner Friel moved to recommend that the City
Council deny the requested variance to the required
setback for an accessory structure in the R-1 Zoning
based on lack of a demonstrated hardship or practical
difficulty.
Commissioner Tilsen seconded the motion.
AYES: 5
NAYS: 2
CASE NO.
PATRICK
VARIANCE
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, DUGGAN, DREELAN
92-25:
AND LOT SPLIT
Mr. Steve Patrick, owner of Outlot A Mendota Woods, was
present to discuss his request for a variance for a lot
without a public street and a lot split.
Mr. Patrick explained he had previously platted a number
of single family lots around Arbor Court. He stated as
part of the plan, Centex Homes had planned to purchase
two outlots for multi-family dwellings. He stated Centex
Homes has indicated they do not intend on purchasing the
outlots. He explained Outlot A has access to a private
cul-de-sac, Brookview Lane. He explained this cul-de-sac
is controlled by the Kensington Homeowners Association.
He explained that now, he would like to develop the
outlot for a single family dwelling.
In response to a question from Chair Dwyer, Mr. Patrick
stated he will not be constructing a driveway so there is
no need for a wetlands permit as mentioned by Planner
Uban in his report. He explained the existing driveway
would be used with an easement given. He further
explained the existing driveway would serve Lot 11.
Commissioner Duggan inquired to the length and width of
the driveway. He stated he would like the Fire Chief and
Police Chief to review the driveway. He stated
clarification should be given as to the location of the
fire hydrants.
Chair Dwyer stated he would like to see a wetlands
boundary map submitted along with comments by the Police
and Fire Chiefs at the December meeting. He stated
clarification is necessary in order for the Commission to
make a formal recommendation to the Council.
Commissioner Tilsen questioned if a replat should be done
as there is no public right-of-way on Outlot A. He
further stated the Homeowner's Association should be
approach again for street access.
Commissioner Friel moved to continue the request variance
and lot split to December 22, 1992.
Commissioner Krebsbach seconded the motion.
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AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
VERBAL REVIEW
Public Works Director Danielson provided a verbal review
for the planning items at the previous City Council
meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, the Planning Commission
adjourned its meeting at 10:17 o'clock P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Kimberlee K. Blaeser
Senior Secretary