1993-08-24 Planning Comm MinutesCITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
AUGUST 24, 1993
The regular meeting of the Mendota Heights Planning Commission was
held on Tuesday, August 24, 1993, in the City Hall Council Chambers
1101 Victoria. The following members were present: Koll, Dwyer,
Duggan and Tilsen. Commissioners Friel, Dreelan and Hunter were
excused. Also present were Public Works Director Jim Danielson,
Planning Consultant John Uban and Senior Secretary Kim Blaeser.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Tilsen moved approval of the July 27, 1993
minutes with corrections.
Commissioner Koll seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Chair Dwyer briefly explained that Mr. and Mrs. Bobst, of 676
Callahan Place, had appeared before the Planning Commission in
April requesting a lot division of their 1.22 acre lot. He
further explained the newly created lot will not have the
required one hundred feet (100') of frontage at the building
setback. Chair Dwyer stated the Planning. Commission continued
the hearing to May to allow time for the applicants to submit
more information concerning their subdivision as required by
the City's Subdivision Ordinance. He further explained that
since May, the Bobst's have been granted, at their request,
three more hearing continuations.
Mr. Paul McGinley, principal surveyor and owner of Paul
McLagan Surveying, stated the Bobst's own a large 1.22 acre
lot which they would like subdivided into two lots. He stated
with the lot division a flag lot will be created. He further
stated the Bobst's will be acquiring 2,500 square feet from
Mr. Knaus (neighbor to the north) to create a larger driveway
for the newly created lot. He stated the original proposal
for a shared driveway has been eliminated. He explained Mr.
Knaus will retain an easement over the triangle piece of land
as his property could be subdivided in the future. Mr.
McGinley stated Mr. Knaus has indicated he has no intentions,
at this time, to subdivide his property.
Mr. McGinley stated the power pole located on the Bobst
property will be at NSP's expense. He stated the fence on the
Bobst's property is owned by the Eschle's (neighbor °s to the
west). He stated the Bobst's will deed six feet (the portion
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enclosed by the fence) to the Eschle's and that the Eschle's
will help share the costs in taking care of the fence
encroachment.
Mr. McGinley stated the proposed house has been moved to the
south ten feet (10') to help preserve trees. He stated two
trees will be removed for placement of the house and driveway.
He further explained 20 to 30 pine trees located at the
corridor of the south end of the proposed driveway will be
moved and replaced to help screen the new home. Mr. McGinley
presented a landscape plan indicating existing and proposed
plantings on the property.
Mr. McGinley stated that the neighborhood had expressed
concerns with the proposed house orientation. He stated that
all homes but the Knaus home adjacent to the new home will
have the normal rear yard to rear yard orientation. He stated
the north neighbor's (Knaus property) rear yard will be facing
the front of the proposed home. He stated the Knaus's view
from their home is from the west and the new Bobst's home view
will be from the west. He indicated the Knaus property will
also be shielded.
Mr. McGinley cited several examples of flag lots within the
City. He stated precedent has been established within this
particular area of the City. He further stated the Bobst
proposal fits well within this area as there is a real mixture
of property sizes within this area.
Chair Dwyer stated several neighbors were present at the April
meeting expressing their concerns. He noted no area residents
were present at the hearing tonight. He stated the residents
had expressed concerns with the resale of flag lots and site
line distractions. He stated Mr. McGinley seems to have
answered most of those concerns.
Chair Dwyer, read for the record, a letter from Mr. Knaus
stating his support for the Bobst's request.
Chair Dwyer inquired if the Bobst's are able to prove
practical difficulty or hardship in requesting the variance as
required by the City's Zoning Ordinance. Mr. McGinley stated
the property, should it be subdivided, exceeds the standard
lot size within this particular zoning district. He stated
this parcel is suitable for a lot division. He stated with
the development of the existing lots in this area, no other
access to the proposed lot was allowed. He stated the Bobst's
should be given a means to utilize their property just like
the area residents have in the past. He stated there is no
other means of accessing this property should it be subdivided.
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Planner Uban confirmed Mr. McGinley's statement. He stated
there is no public access available in this area. He stated
a street was vacated south of Callahan Place in the past. He
stated the owner of this property had no control over
development of existing landowner's property in the past. He
stated there is reason to assume the Bobst's have done
everything possible in accessing this property. He stated a
flag lot is appropriate.
A brief discussion ensued over when a flag lot is necessary or
not. It was determined development in this area is occurring
regularly, a number of flag lot proposals may be brought
before the City. The Planning Commission suggested that
perhaps a City policy should be established regulating the
development of flag lots.
Commissioner Tilsen stated the future driveway abuts an
existing driveway. He stated an easement should be given to
store excess snow. Commissioner Tilsen commended the Bobst's
for their efforts in presenting a plan which seems to cover
areas of concern expressed by the area residents. He stated
with the acquisition of the sliver of land from the neighbor
to the north has made a world of difference in the proposal.
He stated easements for drainage and snow storage should be
considered.
Commissioner Tilsen inquired if an ejector system will be
constructed for this house. Mr. McGinley answered yes.
Commissioner Tilsen inquired if the driveway width meets the
requirements for emergency vehicle access. Public Works
Director Danielson responded it does satisfy the requirements.
Commissioner Duggan noted concerns for erosion control during
the excavation process. Mr. McGinley stated the proposed walk
out will be close to the existing elevation in the rear of the
property. Commissioner Duggan stated the Bobst's have put
forth an effort in maintaining the integrity of the
neighborhood. Mr. McGinley stated he will include a silt
fence on the plans for City Council's review.
In response to a question from Commissioner Duggan, Mr.
McGinley explained the ejector pump system. He explained the
system will pump only from the basement, the remaining home
will use gravity. He stated their system will satisfy
building requirements. Commissioner Koll inquired what would
happen if there were a power outage. Mr. Bobst responded the
laundry room is located in the upper level of the house. He
stated there is one bathroom located in the basement. He
stated there has been no problem with drainage in the area.
It was pointed out by a member of the audience that an ejector
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system is similar to a sump pump system.
Commissioner Koll stated the property does match existing
property in the area. She stated the property is on the end
of a variety of land and the property is not out of place.
Chair Dwyer asked for questions or comments from the audience.
There was no one present to discuss this request.
Chair Dwyer moved to close the public hearing.
Commissioner Tilsen seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Commissioner Tilsen moved to recommend that the City Council
approve a seventy foot (70') variance to the frontage
requirement based on the hardship of limited access to the lot
created by development of other property owners beyond the
control of the applicant.
Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Commissioner Tilsen moved to recommend that City Council
approve the preliminary plat with the following conditions:
1. A drainage easement be provided on both lots subject to
City Engineer review.
2. A snow storage easement from Lot 1 to Lot 2 be provided.
3. Fire Chief review of plans.
Commissioner Koll seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
CONTINUED HEARING:
CASE NO. 93 -17:
DEEB - WETLANDS PERMIT
Chair Dwyer explained at the July Planning Commission the
Commission tabled a wetlands application from Mr. Jake Deeb,
of 1780 Dodd Road, to allow time for staff to research some of
the history of the creek near his proposed garage.
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Page 5
Chair Dwyer stated, at Mr. Deeb's request, a representative
from the Dakota County Soil and Water Conservation District,
researched the site and determined the property south of Mr.
Deeb's lot is considered a wetlands (Willow Creek) and the
tributary to Willow Creek (Pine Creek) is not a wetlands. Mr.
Deeb responded that Mr. Kernick, representing the County,
reviewed samples of the soil in the area.
Chair Dwyer stated Mr. Deeb needs to decide if the existing
garage will be eliminated or kept. He stated if the garage is
eliminated then a separate garage may be built without a
conditional use permit. He also stated a Wetlands Permit is
also needed and that the Commission must review this request
first and foremost.
Mr. Deeb, referring to the memorandum submitted by Public
Works Director Danielson dated July 28, 1993, stated when
Willow Springs Addition was created that entire area was
granted a wetlands permit. Mr. Deeb stated his home was
overlooked in granting of a wetlands permit at that time. He
stated his house is within ninety feet (90') of the creek. He
further stated not only does he now need a wetlands permit for
a garage construction but should he want to replace his
driveway a wetlands permit will be necessary. He stated a
wetlands permit should have been granted to his property.
Chair Dwyer stated the Planning Commission is not going to
discuss past events undertaken in the year 1987. He stated
the Commission is charged with reviewing current applications.
Commissioner Tilsen concurred with Chair Dwyer and stated the
definition of a wetlands does not cover the change in
character of an area subject to seasonal flooding. He further
stated the area of the storm pipe is a low area where water
flows over land. He stated he has a grave concern in
construction taking place near low areas of land. He
questioned how the City can protect the future flowage with
out filling and plugging the storm water pipe.
Commissioner Tilsen stated an easement should be placed over
the pipe. He stated he concurs that this area is not a
wetlands and that the City should amend the wetlands map. He
stated the City Engineer should review the area and establish
a wide enough easement to protect the existing drainage.
Chair Dwyer stated Mr. Deeb is proposing to construct a 900
square foot building within thirty six feet (36') of Willow
Creek.
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Commissioner Tilsen inquired if the water encumbers any
different area when there is a storm or heavy flowage. Mr.
Deeb responded the elevation of the proposed garage is 5 1/2
to 6 feet above Willow Creek and the flowage of Pine Creek.
He stated the drainage pipe is covered to allow access to the
backyard. He stated there is a fifteen foot (15') depression
and if the pipe is plugged, the depressed area handles the
flow. He stated the grade also flows to the southwest, so the
Mikelson property would be flooded. Commissioner Tilsen
stated the Commission needs to be cautious as this area is
beginning to develop. He stated there will be great pressure
on the drainage system in the area which is all the more
reason why an easement should be placed on the Pine Creek
channel.
Planner Uban stated the area upstream has been looked at for
development and the City may need to consider improving the
storm sewer system in the future.
Mr. Deeb stated the former landowner constructed the pipe, not
the City. He stated his whole lot is located within the
wetlands boundary. He stated the City has no authorization as
to what has or has not been designated the wetlands
boundaries. Planner Uban stated the State of Minnesota is the
designating governmental unit in regulating wetlands. He
stated the City must adhere to the minimum requirements set
forth by the State. He explained the City may opt to go
further in requirements for Wetlands.
Commissioner Duggan stated Mr. Deeb is proposing to construct
a 900 square foot building within thirty six feet (36') of the
wetlands. He stated it makes no difference what has happened
in the past. He stated the Commission is charged with
reviewing the size and proximity of the proposed structure.
Mr. Deeb stated he believes a hardship has been created.
Commissioner Duggan stated he is against approving the
wetlands permit due to the proximity of the structure to the
wetlands and the size of the structure is too large.
A brief discussion ensued regarding the allowable size of an
accessory structure and size of a lot.
Commissioner Koll stated she is more sympathetic in reviewing
this proposal as it is an older home which needs a larger
garage. She stated the former owner did not understand what
would happen if the creek bed were moved. She stated she is
in favor of granting the wetlands permit and that the size and
placement of the structure could be negotiated.
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Page 7
Chair Dwyer stated he is against the wetlands permit due to
the size of the structure.
In response to a question, Public Works Director Danielson
stated the creek bed was located one hundred feet (100') from
the Deeb property and is now located thirty eight feet (38')
from Mr. Deeb's property. Chair Dwyer stated the physical and
topographical facts remain that the proposed structure is to
be placed within thirty six feet (36'). Mr. Deeb stated the
previous creek was located seventy feet (70') further south.
He stated the City overlooked granting a wetlands permit.
Chair Dwyer opened the meeting to the public.
There was no one present to discuss this request.
Commissioner Tilsen moved to close the public hearing.
Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Commissioner Tilsen moved that City Council approve the
construction of a garage no closer than forty feet (40') south
and fifty -six feet (56') from the center line and that Mr.
Deeb give a twenty -five foot (25') drainage easement. He
stated in essence, Mr. Deeb will need to move his garage
twenty feet (20') to the north.
Mr. Deeb responded if he has to move his garage further to the
north, it would cut into his access into his lot.
MOTION FAILED - DUE TO LACK OF SECOND.
Chair Dwyer moved to recommend that City Council deny the
Wetlands Permit as it too large of an encroachment to the
center of the creek.
Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
AYES: 2
NAYS: 2, KOLL, TILSEN
MOTION FAILS DUE TO A TIE
Commissioner Duggan stated he is uncomfortable with moving or
changing the position of the garage without seeing the
building on a map. He further inquired to the amount of fill
Mr. Deeb placed on his lot. Mr. Deeb responded he followed
City procedures as directed by the building official.
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Page 8
Commissioner Koll moved to recommend that City Council grant
the wetlands permit as proposed.
Chair Dwyer seconded the motion.
AYES: 1
NAYS: 3, DWYER, DUGGAN, TILSEN
Chair Dwyer stated the Planning Commission has reached an
impass in a decision. He stated Mr. Deeb will have to go
before the City Council and present his case. Mr. Deeb stateā¢,
the City overlooked granting his property a wetlands permit in
1987.
HEARING:
CASE NO. 93 -18:
THARALDSON DEVELOPMENT COMPANY -
CUP
Mr. Kenneth Scheel, project manager representing Tharaldson
Development Company, was present to request a Conditional Use
Permit to allow the construction of a Fairfield Inn next to
the Courtyard by Marriott on Northland Drive.
Mr. Scheel briefly reviewed the past history of this project.
He explained Tharaldson Development Company had received
approval on a similar project in 1992. He stated the proposed
hotel was to be used for Northwest Airlines employees. He
stated the application has expired because of NWA's on -going
struggles in keeping out of bankruptcy.
Mr. Scheel stated the new project has been upgraded to be a
"for rent" facility and it now meets more stringent standards.
Mr. Scheel explained that presently negotiations with
Northwest are on going. He stated the hotel will be built and
operated to Fairfield standards whether NWA uses it or not.
He further stated if NWA uses the hotel, the hotel will not
have a Fairfield name. He stated it will be operated as a
Heritage Inn by Tharaldson. He further stated although the
rents are lower a "guaranteed user" approach would be
advantageous for Tharaldson.
Mr. Scheel stated explained Fairfield Inns have more square
footage than the originally proposed Heritage Inn and are
generally upscale. He stated this type of hotel is a fast
growing luxury budget hotel.
Commissioner Duggan expressed concern of denying a product to
the community, i.e, opening a hotel for the public and then
closing it for private use. Mr. Scheel responded the hotel
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could start out as a limited hotel and the go open to the
public. In response to a question about room rates, Mr.
Scheel stated roughly $44.00 for a single.
Mr. Scheel stated he has not received a letter of support from
the Courtyard by Marriott. He stated he expects it to be sent
soon and he would present it to the Council.
Mr. Scheel explained the color scheme to be blue and creme.
He stated there will be a brick exterior up to eight feet (8')
and then a material similar to stucco called drivet. He
explained this product's life is very good. He further
stated, barring damage, that not much maintenance is
necessary. He stated they do not let their products
deteriorate as it poor business.
Mr. Scheel stated they do not want enlarge the entrance
portico as it would be out of proportion. Chair Dwyer stated
the Fire Chief has stated the canopy is not at a desired
height. Mr. Scheel stated they could eliminate the canopy.
In response to a question from Chair Dwyer, Mr. Scheel stated
the height of the building meets all of the requirements as
dictated by the City's Zoning Ordinance. He stated if the
height is measured from the center portion of the roof, then
the roof exceeds the height limitations. Mr. Scheel stated
they could, ask for a variance to the height or drop back to
4:12 pitch. He stated the gables would change but that there
would not be a noticeable difference unless the building is
seen from above.
Chair Dwyer noted the Fire Chief's concern in having limited
capabilities in providing rescue functions and fire attack
procedures to a fourth floor resident /building -roof. Mr.
Scheel responded the building will be built with rigid safety
requirements. He stated there will be a fire sprinkler
system.
Mr. Scheel stated that the current City Zoning Fire Ordinance
allows the construction of a four story building. He stated
the degree of risk needs to be discussed with the Fire Chief.
In response to a question, Mr. Scheel stated the sign detail
will be exactly what the Courtyard by Marriott has done except
the logo and colors will be different. He stated they would
like to consider signs off of I -494 like the Courtyard by
Marriott. He stated they do not want a huge sign.
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Mr. Scheel stated the sign will be placed to not interfere
with the Marriott signage. He stated there will be two signs
plus one on the building.
Mr. Scheel stated the drainage system has not changed
significantly from the previous proposal. He stated
Commissioner Tilsen has discussed his concerns for the
steepness in front of the parking lot. He stated he would
like to work out the grade to decrease the angle of the
driveway. He suggested that may be a small committee could be
formed, i.e., Commissioner Tilsen, Kevin Batchelder and
himself to discuss this issue.
Scheel stated the light fixtures tilt ten degrees and they do
not glare. He stated they are similar to what the City Hall
uses in their parking lot. He explained the lights will be
shoe box style.
Scheel explained the building will be constructed to conform
with the noise ordinance. He stated they will comply with all
requirements for noise insulation.
In response to a question from Chair Dwyer, Mr. Scheel
explained all doors lock from the outside. He stated they
will be using a card system which is a very effective form of
security. He stated it is also a low maintenance item
compared to a key system. He explained there will be four
entrances with the side entrance accessed by a card. He
stated the main lobby will remain open and staffed twenty -four
hours. He stated there will be closed circuit television
monitoring the public areas. He stated they can provide this
type of security in the stair wells. Scheel also stated there
will be no security officers on duty.
In response to a question from Commissioner Duggan, Mr. Scheel
stated they will be complying with ADA requirements for
providing rooms for the handicapped. He also stated smoke
free rooms will be offered.
Chair Dwyer opened the meeting to the public.
There was no one present to discuss this issue.
Commissioner Duggan moved to close the public hearing.
Commissioner Tilsen seconded the motion.
ANES11 4
NAYS?, 0
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In response to a question from Commissioner Koll, Mr. Scheel
stated the exterior material used on the building is the best
on the market. Commissioner Koll stated she would like to see
the roof a different color than blue. Mr. Scheel concurred
and stated he would like to see shingles. He stated the blue
color proposed for the roof is ugly. He stated this color is
used within the franchise. He stated he would prefer to see
shingles as they would be more of a muted blue color. He
stated they would be of Timberline quality.
Commissioner Duggan stated he would like to see the size of
the proposed pine trees upgraded. Mr. Scheel responded that
the proposed landscaping is estimated to be roughly $50,000 at
this point.
In response to a question from Chair Dwyer, Mr. Scheel stated
Tharaldson Enterprises operates the franchises. He explained
employees are hired locally except a manager may be brought in
from a different city. Mr. Scheel stated the Twin Cities
needs a diversity in jobs.
Mr. Scheel stated the project costs are roughly $2 million not
including land costs.
Commissioner Tilsen briefly discussed the roof height. He
also questioned whether Mr. Scheel would be amenable to
allowing a 360 degree access to the building as suggested by
the Fire Chief. Mr. Scheel stated the code allows for a one
side access. He further stated he will discuss the roof
pitch, turning radius, etc with the Fire Department prior to
City Council review.
Commissioner Duggan suggested that a parking space reserved
for emergency vehicles should be discussed. Mr. Scheel stated
there would be no problem with providing a spot just as long
as it does not conflict with the ADA requirements.
Commissioner Tilsen stated he would like to work with Mr.
Scheel and City staff in solutions to the grade steepness and
drainage within the parking lot. Commissioner Tilsen stated
he is confident the parking lot grade can be modified and that
the ponding can be accommodated.
In response to a question from Commissioner Tilsen, Mr. Scheel
stated the refuse will be enclosed and that it was an error,
in their part, to not include this item on their plans.
Commissioner Koll moved to recommend that City Council approve
the Conditional Use Permit to allow a hotel within the "I"
District with the following conditions:
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1. A letter from Courtyard by Marriott concurring with the
use and design of said project.
2. Revise grading plan to eliminate steep grades and provide
on -site ponding according to City Engineer requirements.
3. Revise lighting plan to reduce glare.
4. Revise landscaping plan to include a hedge to screen the
parking facing Mendota Heights Road.
5. Submittal of sign plans which indicate conformance with
city ordinance requirements and adjacent development.
6. Conform to Fire Marshal recommendations.
7. Revise the entrance portico.
8. Revise the building height to a 4:12 pitch or request a
variance.
9. Revise the roof material to shingles of a muted blue.
Commissioner Tilsen offered a friendly amendment stating a
fire hydrant on I -494 should be added if necessary.
Commissioner Koll accepted the friendly amendment.
Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
MISCELLANEOUS
Chair Dwyer thanked all individuals and companies who helped
sponsor the Celebrate Mendota Heights Parks! event in July.
VERBAL REVIEW
Public Works Director Danielson provided a verbal review for
the planning items at the previous City Council meeting.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, the Planning Commission
adjourned its meeting at 10:40 o'clock P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Kimberlee K. Blaeser
Senior Secretary