1996-10-15 Council minutesPage No. 1
October 15, 1996
CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
Minutes of the Regular Meeting
Held Tuesday, October 15, 1996
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the regular meeting of the City Council, City of Mendota
Heights, was held at 7:30 o'clock P.M. at City Hall, 1101 Victoria Curve, Mendota Heights, Minnesota.
Mayor Mertensotto called the meeting to order at 7:30 o'clock P.M. The following members were
present: Mayor Mertensotto, Councilmembers Huber, Koch and Krebsbach. Councilmember Smith had
notified Council she would be late.
AGENDA ADOPTION Councilmember Koch moved adoption of the revised agenda for the
meeting.
Councilmember Krebsbach seconded the motion.
Ayes: 4
Nays: 0
Councilmember Smith arrived at 7:35 p.m.
! ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF Council acknowledged receipt of the minutes of the October 1
MINUTES Council meeting. Approval was tabled to November 5.
CONSENT CALENDAR Councilmember Huber moved approval of the consent calendar for
the meeting, along with authorization for execution of any necessary
documents contained therein.
a. Acknowledgment of the minutes of the September 25, 1996
Airport Relations Commission meeting.
b. Acknowledgment of the minutes of the October 8, 1996 Parks
and Recreation Commission meeting.
c. Acknowledgment of the minutes of the October 9, 1996
Airport Relations Commission meeting
d. Approval of the Treasurer's monthly report for September.
e. Approval of the probationary appointment of Curt Wimpee' as
Civil Engineer I at Grade XVII, Step A of the city's pay
matrix.
f. Acknowledgment of receipt of the NDC4 Executive
Director's Report.
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g. Authorization for the City Clerk to prepare specifications and
solicit quotes for a copy machine.
h. Authorization for the Mayor and City Clerk to execute a
Watermain Easement Agreement with the St. Paul Water
Utility for the Enterprise Corporate Centre project.
Acknowledgment of information from U.S. West
Communications regarding FCC rulings.
Authorization for the purchase and installation of a radio for
Fire Department truck number 2290 from Bear
Communications for $3,721.03.
k. Adoption for Resolution No. 96-83, "RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING ENGINEER'S FEASIBILITY REPORT AND
CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR STREET
RECONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION
IMPROVEMENTS TO SERVE TILSEN'S HIGHLAND
HEIGHTS, TILSEN'S HIGHLAND HEIGHTS PLAT 2 AND
TILSEN'S HIGHLAND HEIGHTS PLAT 3
(IMPROVEMENT NO. 96, PROJECT NO. 4)."
1. Approval of the List of Claims dated October 15, 1996 and
totaling $353,855.73
m. Approval of the list of contractor licenses dated October 15,
1996 and attached hereto.
n. Approval for staff to begin the bidding process for
replacement of the Fire Station roof.
Councilmernber Krebsbach seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
FIRE CELEBRATION Ms. Carolyn Dreelan and Mr. Brett Blaeser, Co-Chairpersons for the
Fire Department 50" Anniversary Celebration, were present to
discuss the celebration. Ms. Dreelan explained that the first day of
the two day celebration will be held in conjunction with the city's
annual park celebration on August 15 and will include a parade,
softball tournament, children's activities, concessions at the fire
station and park, live music at the fire station and an open house at
the station. The open house will include fire department
memorabilia and history, including a history book. She explained
that if there is adequate funding, the celebration committee would
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like to end the day's events with a fireworks display. The second
part of the celebration is proposed to be a banquet for the fire
department members, spouses and guests. She asked that the city
assist in funding the celebration and that Council authorize a
temporary 3.2 malt beverage license to allow the ale of beer at the
softball tournament, until 9:00 p.m. She informed Council that the
committee feels that the department can control the coolers that are
brought in and can card everyone wishing to purchase beer and
control consumption. The department feels that sale of beer would
be a good fund raiser. She informed Council that the banquet and all
of the August 16 events are estimated to cost $26,500, and the relief
association currently has $6,000 in funding and will hold fund
raising events until the celebration.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Mendakota Country Club has paid for
the July 4, but the anniversary celebration will be on August 16. He
pointed out that a fireworks display is a very sizable expense.
Ms. Dreelan responded that it is possible that the fire department can
work with the vendors, etc., so that the fireworks could be held with
the celebration instead of July 4.
Fire Chief Maczko stated that the committee has not talked with
Mendakota, but since the celebration is a community event, perhaps
Mendakota would like to be partners in the fireworks. He stated that
Mendakota's July 4 fireworks is something the country club does for
the community and the department would not want to ask them to
change on the department's behalf.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council must be very sure that any
city funding for the anniversary celebration is for the benefit of the
public at large, and that the city could participate in any of the
events that are for the public.
Chief Maczko stated that the committee has been working with the
recreation programmer to come up with a true community
celebration, and what they have been discussing is combining the
park celebration and anniversary celebration into one big event.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that city funding must only be used
for those activities that are open to the public, and the banquet and
dance for the fire department and guests is not open for the general
public and would not qualify for city funding. He did not think
Council would have a problem committing funds where the city
actually makes the payments to vendors. He stated that Council
expressed at budget time that it could commit up to $25,000 from
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Council's contingency. He felt that the liquor license request also
has ramifications, and if the city allows liquor sales in conjunction
with the park celebration, that becomes a problem because it would
appear to be city - sponsored.
Ms. Dreelan stated that the committee has spent some time going to
similar events in other cities, including New Ulm, which holds a city
event with beer. She stated that it is an excellent source of funding
and the department would like to know about the license now so that
they can plan the events.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that the city does not have dram shop
insurance and could grant a license to the Fire Relief Association,
which is separate from the city, but in doing so Council would be
endorsing the sale of malt liquor. He felt that if there were a
problem with someone being injured because of the sale of beer, the
city would be looked at as having deep pockets. He informed Ms.
Dreelan that the Relief Association would be required to obtain
dram shop coverage, with the Relief Association being the insured
and the city being a named insured.
Chief Maczko stated that the department fully expected to be to
have insurance and the Relief Association would certainly fund the
insurance. He stated that people will not be allowed to bring coolers
to the events.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the insurance would have to be for a
$600,000 limit at the minimum, and that has been the case with the
issuance of permits to St. Peter's and others, the city license fee
would be waived.
Ms. Dreelan asked if it is permissible for the committee to check
into insurance.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that insurance is one issue that must
be resolved, but that he does not speak for the Council and the
Council members would have to be amenable to endorsing beer sale
in the city's park.
Councilmember Huber stated that he would be willing to agree to a
license but the hours of sale must be discussed. He further stated
that Council must be cognizant of the impact on the neighbors. He
felt that the city would not be setting a precedent for allowing the
sale of beer in city parks because the celebration is a one -time event.
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Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would need to be very
clear that this is a unique situation and there will not be any requests
from softball teams for beer sales.
Ms. Dreelan responded that the department would not have control
over other organizations.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council must be sure to specify that
this is a major event in the city, combining both the park celebration
and the fire department's fiftieth anniversary.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that the location of the park is a
concern, and there are many issues around the park. She stated that
she would need assurances from the softball league representatives
that issuing a license for the anniversary celebration will not be
viewed as setting precedent. She also stated that her concerns are
over the location of the park and the possibility that the department
would ask for a license in subsequent years to sell beer as a fund
raiser.
Councilmember Smith stated that it must be made clear that
approval of a license would be done purely as an accommodation to
the 50`h anniversary and not for the park celebration or softball
tournament.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that there are many members of
the fire department who are active with the adult softball league who
can communicate to the league that this is a stand alone request and
there will not be any future requests considered for beer sales for
softball.
Chief Maczko stated that the celebration committee would like some
indication from Council so that it can do planning.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that Council will have to discuss
hours of sale and other conditions and that it would have to be
explicit that issuance of a license would not set a precedent. He also
anticipated that there will be feedback from residents who are
viewing this evening's discussion on television.
Chief Maczko stated that the committee will work under the
assumption that they will get the license approval, with the
understanding that there will be conditions. He explained that the
committee will have a better idea on costs and whether beer sale is
something the committee wants to do. He pointed out that the
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fiftieth anniversary of the department will never be celebrated again,
and the next celebration will likely be the 75`h anniversary.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council will commit up to $5,000 in
funding, from the budgeted contingency, for the public part of the
anniversary event.
Chief Maczko introduced Mrs. Alma Fischer to Council. He
explained that Mrs. Fischer is on the department's history committee
and her husband helped organize the department and was a charter
member.
Mayor Mertensotto expressed Council's appreciation to Mrs. Fischer
for working with the Fire Department committee in compiling the
department's history book.
FIRE SAFETY AWARDS Fire Marshal Paul Kaiser and Fire Chief Maczko were present to
recognize a number of businesses for consistent emphasis on fire
safety during 1996. The businesses which were recognized were:
A.R.R.T, Applied Coating Technology, Associated Bureaus,
Batesville Casket Company, Center for Diagnostic Imaging,
Courtyard by Marriott, Ecolab, G.N.B., L.C.S. Metal Stamping,
Mendota Heights Animal Hospital, Mendota Heights Cycling and
Fitness, Minnesota Knitting Mills, Snyder Drug Store, Solvay
Animal Health, Somerset 19 Condo Association, Somerset Country
Club, Specialty Equipment, St. Paul United Methodist Church, St.
Peter's Church, Tempco Manufacturing, Big Wheel/Rossi,
Mendakota Country Club and Metro II.
BUNKER HILLS STREET Council acknowledged a memo from Engineer Mogan regarding
IMPROVEMENTS informing Council on the results of a Bunker Hills neighborhood
survey on proposed street improvements and a recent open house for
the neighborhood residents.
Engineer Mogan reviewed the survey results, stating that 62 of the
74 surveys which had been mailed were returned by property
owners. Of the responses, 36 residents (58 %) prefer the total street
reconstruction project (option one), and the common concern they
expressed was related to the width of the streets. Several people
were concerned about losing trees due to street widening. He
informed Council that 4 residents were in favor of limited
reconstruction (option 2), 17.5 favored bituminous overlay (option
3), and 3.5 want no project. One survey was returned with no option
chosen. Mr. Mogan reviewed overheads showing survey results and
a map showing the roads within the project boundaries. He
informed Council that there are no driveways served from Valley
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Curve between Hilltop and Willow Lane, and that staff has
recommended that this section be reconstructed as a bituminous
trail.
Mayor Mertensotto asked if that street section serves as a cross -over.
He was concerned about emergency access to and from the
neighborhood in that area.
Mr. Mogan responded that he understands that it does not see much
traffic and is a nuisance. The other unusual aspect of the project is
how staff proposes to treat the alley between Willow Lane and
Hilltop Curve. He explained that most of the residents who are
served by the alley do not want any improvements on it and feel
very strongly about maintaining the gravel surface. He informed
Council that there are others in the neighborhood who would like to
see the alley paved, feeling that if there are all new streets in the
neighborhood, gravel would be tracked out onto them from the alley.
He stated that if there are no alley improvements, he would
recommend that the properties abutting the alley be assessed for the
storm sewer that serves the entire neighborhood, but that he feels it
would be a mistake not to improve the alley at the same time as the
project is done.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that two of the lots would have public
street on Willow and two on Hilltop, which only leaves five on the
alley access. He felt that it would be a big mistake not to improve
the alley, as the five property owners would be choosing not to be
part of the neighborhood and the lack of improvement to the alley
could have a negative impact on those properties.
Mr. Brian Birch, 755 Willow Lane, stated that he did not respond to
the survey but would like to be heard. He informed Council that he
looked at the entire project area and measured each of the street
widths and identified where he felt there was only need for curb. He
reviewed that information, stating that he believes that 85% of the
neighborhood does not need curb. He also pointed out what he felt
were significant conflicts with trees and streets, and he felt that the
property owners on the alley use all of the neighborhood streets and
should be assessed the same as everyone else. He did not feel there
should be a different level of assessment for those properties. He
did not understand why option one indicates a 25 year street life and
option two anticipates a 15 year life when the street construction is
the same. He felt that the proposed street widths would create
significant problems with people's landscaping and did not see how
the funding for the project changes between the options but that a lot
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of money could be saved by eliminating much of the curb and gutter
and storm sewer.
Mayor Mertensotto asked Mr. Birch if his main impetus in doing his
study was to lower the assessment cost.
Mr. Birch responded that it was not his intention to either raise or
lower anyone's assessment.
Engineer Mogan responded to Mr. Birch's question over street life,
stating that storm sewer serves the function of keeping water from
infiltrating into the structure of the street and if street structure is
kept dry, that will extend its life.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that it has been proven that where there is
curb there is longer street life and that Council adopted that street
rehabilitation policy four years ago and cannot negotiate street
widths for each neighborhood. He explained that Council is trying to
keep the street width at 33 feet, and the traveled portion at 30 feet,
and that the streets would be 34 feet, four inches from back of
concrete curb to back of curb. He explained that if the streets were
narrower than 33 feet, people would have a difficult time with trying
to park on both sides, and also the fire department wants 20 feet of
lane width for emergency purposes. He also expressed concern
about the significant trees Mr. Birch had sited.
Mr. Birch pointed out the locations of the significant trees or shrubs
and steep grades. He stated that the rural setting of the
neighborhood is beautiful and that he likes the character of the
neighborhood the way it is (option 3) as opposed to the
neighborhoods that have curb and gutter.
Mayor Mertensotto questioned whether option 3 would be cost
effective. He pointed out that the city would not build the same type
of street as in option one without storm water controls to protect the
streets. He stated that the problem is that this neighborhood has
larger lots than Friendly Hills and other neighborhoods, so the
proposed assessment is larger. He felt that more people would
support full reconstruction if the proposed $4,000 per lot assessment
could be lowered.
Mr. John White, 1897 Wachtler, stated that he does not want the
roads widened and felt that the 33 foot width would decimate the
existing oak and pine trees. He did not think anyone is arguing
against the curb, the storm sewer or the cost but oppose the 33 foot
width.
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Mayor Mertensotto responded that it took four years to develop the
street rehabilitation policy and there a standard street width is
necessary. He informed the audience that the policy, which includes
the 33 foot standard, has been followed with few deviations.
Mr. White stated that the neighborhood does not want the streets
widened, that he does not think anyone has a problem with the curb
and gutter or cost, but they do not want to lose the existing
vegetation, the oak trees or the country charm of the neighborhood.
He explained that his street is 19 to 20 feet wide now and all of his
neighbors have driveways to facilitate eight to ten cars and do not
need on- street parking. He stated that he never sees cars parked on
his street.
Councilmember Krebsbach asked how wide Fox Place is and stated
that the streets in Friendly Hills were all wider before construction
than the streets in Bunker Hills. She also asked if Council had not
discussed keeping Ridge Place at its existing width.
Mr. White responded that this was his understanding, because Ridge
is a cul -de -sac. He stated that there are six homes on his section of
Wachtler and each of the lots can park at least eight cars in the
driveway. He felt that the only way the neighborhood will agree to
option one is to reduce the proposed street widths.
Responding to a question from Councilmember Huber, Engineer
Mogan stated that the existing street widths in the neighborhood
range from 19 to 33 feet.
Councilmember Huber stated that what he has been hearing from
neighborhood residents is that they are concerned about the street
width and what he thinks Engineer Mogan says in his memo is that
where 33 feet is impractical, construction could be 25 feet wide with
no parking in order to accommodate retention of most of the trees.
Engineer Mogan responded that that cannot be determined until the
final design stage when measurements are taken.
Councilmember Huber stated that from what he has heard this
evening, it appears that people would like curb and gutter if the city
will work with them on street widths. He stated that he is willing to
do that, although he does not know if it will be possible to reduce
them to 20 feet. He stated that he appreciates that the rehabilitation
policy was very difficult to get approved, but if he had been on the
Council when the policy was adopted he may have recommended
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that just because it is a community wide policy does not mean there
can be no deviations depending on the neighborhoods.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that Council has adopted a standard
and should follow it or throw it out, but one of the things Council
said when it set the urban street section was that the major concern is
over drainage. He pointed out that it has been the city's experience
that curb and gutter make streets last much longer, which is why the
30 foot design with curb was considered best. He stated that
Council does not want to force something on the neighborhood and
if the neighborhood wants a different option which would not
require the 33 foot width, Council should approve that option. He
stated that if Council does not follow the standard it has adopted, it
will be bending to public pressure each time a proposed project
comes up.
Councilmember Krebsbach asked Mr. White if he voted for option
one.
Mr. White responded that he voted for option 3 but that he made a
statement on his survey that his choice was not because of cost or
curb and gutter. He stated that he agrees that curb is needed in some
areas of the neighborhood, but the issue is over street width. He felt
that many of the residents voted for option one only because they
want curbs and it is the only option that included curb and gutter.
Councilmember Krebsbach felt that perhaps there would be
justification for treating the Bunker Hills neighborhood differently
on street widths, because the neighborhood is historic in some
regards in that the sub - streets are a- typical and the lots are large and
staggered. She stated that she does not want to see thirty year old
oak trees removed just to build thirty foot streets. She stated that
Council does not want to undermine a policy that has worked well in
other neighborhoods, but that perhaps in this unique neighborhood
the street width should be looked at street by street.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that in Ivy Falls, the property owners
did not want curb and gutter and 33 foot widths and paid for their
own streets without city participation, which has set a precedent. He
explained that option one would result in the most durable street but
if the neighborhood does not want the option because of the street
widths, the streets would need to be replaced more frequently and
there would be no public participation.
Councilmember Huber explained the rationale behind city financial
participation in the full reconstruction option. He stated that just as
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Council relies on its legal counsel, it must rely on its trained
professional engineering staff for recommendations.
Mr. Birch asked how Council can rely on staff when they cannot
even say where the trees are or the street widths.
Councilmember Huber responded that Engineer Mogan has done an
outstanding job, not only on this project but Friendly Hills and
Curley's as well. He pointed out that there is a considerable amount
of money involved in getting all of the information needed for the
project and Council does not authorize that kind of expenditure until
a project is approved.
Mr. Gerome Caulfield, 829 Hilltop, in the audience stated that he
would like to express his extreme dissatisfaction with the
neighborhood meeting. He stated that he is sure that most of the
people who chose option one are not present this evening, and in fact
most of the neighborhood is not present. He stated that he wants to
hear how his neighbors feel before he makes a decision and that
those who are not present do not have the benefit of hearing all the
questions that are being asked tonight. He further stated that he had
asked that the second meeting be a neighborhood meeting so that
everyone could hear how their neighbors are impacted, but the
meeting was one on one with the engineer. He stated that if a
meeting is held again, he would like the whole neighborhood to get
together at the same time so everyone can hear the questions and
concerns of their neighbors before responding to a survey. He
further stated that he would like his neighbors to know what the tax
impact of the assessment would, be, that assessments are not tax
deductible, and that they understand the tax consequences.
Engineer Mogan responded that he mailed an invitation to everyone
in the neighborhood and asked them to come and ask whatever
questions they wished.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that options one and two call for
33 foot wide streets but provides for a reduction to 25 feet where
there are trees. She stated that she assumes there is a feeling that if
the residents selected option one there would be some flexibility.
Mrs. White responded that the tree she is concerned about existed
before many of the homes were built and it is three feet from the
street.
Engineer Mogan responded that the city has 60 feet of right -of -way
and there is 20 feet of pavement now, which leaves forty feet of
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boulevard. He explained that he could look at moving the street
within the right -of -way to save the tree.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she does not see Council as
deviating from the policy if it would allow narrowing of the streets
where there is a need, in order to preserve the unique character of the
neighborhood.
Engineer Mogan stated that after the public hearing, he heard over
and over again that the residents did not want to destroy the
character of their neighborhood by going to 33 foot streets if they do
not have to. He informed Council that he told the residents that he
though Council would vary from the policy in order to save trees,
which would help preserve the neighborhood character.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that, in terms of setting precedent,
Council does have to have some standard which it holds, and that
she would assume that if there is a street that carries a significant
amount of traffic, the community will realize that the street needs to
be a certain width in order for traffic to move properly.
Mr. Caulfield stated that he agrees that Engineer Mogan is doing a
good job and if the engineer says that the streets must be a certain
width for emergency vehicles, etc., he would understand.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the city would invest some money in
the project to find out which streets would need to be narrowed in
order to save trees, etc., and if Council can work with the
neighborhood in that manner something can be accomplished. He
informed the audience that Council cannot promise that the project
will begin next spring and be done next year, but that perhaps
Engineer Mogan can go back to look at the area and also to look at
additional storm sewer to handle water coming off the east side of
Dodd Road. He explained that another neighborhood meeting will
be held at a time appropriate for the neighborhood, and stated that
Council wants to work with the residents.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would still like to see the
project constructed in the summer of 1997.
Councilmember Smith stated that the street rehabilitation policy is
not quite as rigid as it seems and the complete reconstruction
improvement refers to the curb and gutter because that extends the
life of the streets and gives a crisper look to the street. She pointed
out that Council has made accommodations on street widths and
wants to pay close attention to what works in the neighborhood
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under existing conditions. She asked what a narrower street with
curb and gutter would mean to the neighborhood and what a street as
narrow as 25 feet would mean in terms of parking and traffic.
Engineer Mogan responded that any engineering text book requires a
twelve foot driving lane, and if it is a bituminous street with curb
and gutter there is 25 feet, face to face, there would be a 22 foot
bituminous pavement section and two eleven foot driving lanes. He
stated that while that might be an enormous width on the east coast,
it is deficient in the Midwest - 25 feet would not provide room for
parking, and it should be made clear to the neighborhood that if the
city were to go to 25 feet and people cannot negotiate through the
neighborhood because of on- street parking it would have to be
marked and enforced for no parking.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that 30 feet, curb to curb, is his standard,
but he lost out on that when the policy was adopted at 33 feet. He
explained that the city does not have sidewalks and the streets are
often used by bicyclists and children and adults walking, and with
curvilinear streets, 25 feet wide is very dangerous. He stated that
Council tries to use the best information available and urban street
sections are common - recent street reconstruction in the City of St.
Paul, with curb and gutter, have greatly improved its neighborhoods.
He pointed out that the city has a 60 foot right -of -way to provide
adequate room for storage of snow plowed from the streets. He
stated that aesthetics is not the total answer.
Mr. Caulfield asked about the city's maintenance policy and stated
that he would like the city to inform the residents on what the
generally accepted maintenance policy in Minnesota is and what the
city policy is.
Responding to an audience question, Mayor Mertensotto stated that
Council will direct staff to look at the area and try to locate all the
trees and problems and see what can be done to move streets within
the right -of -way to avoid taking trees out. He stated that Council
needs to have a larger representation from the neighborhood and will
call a neighborhood meeting after all of the necessary information
has been gathered.
RECESS Mayor Mertensotto called a recess at 9:50. The meeting was
reconvened at 10:00 p.m.
j CASE CAO 95 -05, STROH Council acknowledged a memo from Public Works Director
Danielson regarding a request from Mr. Bernard Stroh for a one year
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extension of his critical area site plan for a new home at 1128 Sibley
Memorial Highway. Mr. Stroh was present for the discussion.
Mayor Mertensotto suggested that Council could grant the extension
with the caveat the permit does not run with the land and cannot be
transferred to another individual.
Mr. Stroh acknowledged the condition.
Councilmember Huber moved to grant a one year extension on the
critical area permit for Mr. Bernard Stroh, to November 7, 1997,
with the caveat that permit runs to the applicant and not the land,
that it cannot be transferred to a subsequent property owner, and that
the applicant so acknowledges.
Councilmember Smith seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
MANNA FREIGHT Council acknowledged a memo from Assistant Hollister regarding a
request for building permit from Manna Freight. Mr. Alan Meehan,
from Manna Freight, and Mr. Randy Giesen, contractor, were
present for the discussion.
Mr. Meehan informed Council that he would like to begin
construction of Manna's world headquarters building and has
reviewed the plans and details with Mr. Dale Glowa. He stated that
Mr. George Burkhards, of United Properties, has submitted a letter
stipulating the comments made by Mr. Glowa and Mr. Burkhards
regarding suggested modifications which Manna Freight has agreed
to.
Mayor Mertensotto asked if the applicant has resolved the issue of
access to the second story.
Mr. Giesen responded that he and Code Enforcement Officer Berg
are working out what can be done within the building code to keep
the ladder inside the building. He explained that the access ladder to
the roof top gas line with be internal on each level. He also
informed Council that Manna Freight will be requesting a 20 foot
sign setback variance so that its sign will conform to the United
Properties sign policy.
Mr. Meehan stated that he has gone through extensive redesign of
the structure including a change to rock face block and tinted non -
opening windows, and improvement to the exterior of the building
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by recessing the entry. He felt that the structure will look better than
the BDS building.
Mr. Glowa, present for the discussion, complimented Manna Freight
for the improvements made to the structure. He stated that United
Properties have worked very well with Manna and appreciates the
improvements Manna has agreed to make, including banding over
the windows, interior drain system in the lower roof, an upgrade to
complete sod and irrigation, and compliance with the United
Properties sign policy. He stated that Manna has addressed all of
United Properties' concerns and United Properties is very pleased
with the changes that have been made.
Councilmember Smith stated that typically Council sees the exterior
materials proposed.
Mr. Giesen responded that the primary exterior color will be sahara
with a rose accent strip and the material will be rock face block.
Mr. Glowa informed Council that the colors are very similar to the
BDS structure and United Properties is satisfied that the building
will blend in well.
Councilmember Huber moved to authorize issuance of the building
permit for the Manna Freights headquarters building consistent with
all plans and specifications on record and with the assurance that the
access to the warehouse structure will be internal ladder design.
Councilmember Smith seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
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Mayor Mertensotto expressed concern over the number of semi
trucks that will be coming to the site daily and where they will park.
Mr. Sloat responded that MnDOT /Department of Public Safety will
occupy the remodeled space, and Mn/DOT expects three to four
trucks will visit the site per day. He explained that one of the
activities that will be done at the Mn/DOT office is the pro -rate
licensing of trucks traveling through the state. He explained that
there would be an area for parking four trucks, that the building
currently has a loading dock and Mn/DOT is saying that that would
be enough. He stated that the trucks will be directed to the four
spaces at the southwest corner of the parking lot.
Mr. Laib stated that from the GNB site, Mn/DOT and the
Department of Public Safety will be monitoring all of the roads in
the area, so they will need a satellite. The proposed exterior stair is
for emergency access.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would like to hear a
presentation from Mn/DOT on what the actual use of the office
space will be.
Mr. Laib responded that Mn/DOT needs to be in the space on
December 1 and the second floor remodeling will be all for office
use. He explained that there will be no overnight truck parking.
Councilmember Smith asked why so many parking stalls are
proposed to be added if there will only be four trucks per day to the
site. She asked if the parking is to serve both Mn/DOT and the
trucks. She stated that her concern is that it appears there could be a
lot of truck coming through. She asked if all of the trucks will come
at one time.
Mr. Laib responded that the truck designated area will only be four
spaces and that Mn/DOT has indicated there would be a maximum
of four trucks a day, so four spaces were designed in case all of the
trucks came at the same time.
Councilmember Smith stated that it has been Council's intention to
keep truck traffic in the area to a minimum. She stated that she
realizes the building remodeling is for office use, but typically there
are few trucks visiting offices. She further stated that Mn/DOT
appears to be taking a small portion of the building, yet generating a
lot of the truck traffic.
Mr. Laib responded that he leases many office buildings and most
have truck traffic and loading docks for deliveries. He informed
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Council that Mn/DOT is leasing almost 35,000 square feet, or close
to one half of the building. He stated that the state agency and GNB
are the only tenants of the building.
Councilmember Smith asked about the potential that the truck traffic
will increase to several more per day in the future.
Mr. Laib responded that Mn/DOT has stated that there will only be
three or four trucks a day and that as technology changes, the
number of trucks per day should reduce. Responding to a question
from Councilmember Krebsbach, Mr. Laib stated that the Mn/DOT
operation is currently located in downtown St. Paul, in the Public
Safety building. He stated that the GMB space is currently empty.
He stated that GNB plans to stay at the facility but is turning the
second story into generic office space. He informed Council that the
lease with WDOT will be for five years with an option for an
additional five years.
Councilmember Smith expressed concern over the truck traffic so
near to a residential area.
Mr. Laib responded that the space will have standard office use and
there will be some trucks, which is not untypical.
Mr. Sloat stated that remodeling the space will take about six weeks,
so delay would cause a hardship for GNB. He stated that it would
be very difficult to put another tenant on the second floor.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would like to see how
many trucks there will be and how that would affect development in
the area.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that he would rather limit the number of
trucks than delay the project. He further stated that Mn/DOT would
then have to find some off - premises parking for any more trucks
than Council allows. Responding to Councilmember Krebsbach's
concern over truck traffic at Lexington and T.H. 110, Mayor
Mertensotto informed the applicants that there is a city ordinance in
place that restricts the size of trucks on Lexington and the limitation
starts just south of GNB.
Councilmember Smith pointed out that access to the building is off
the frontage road opposite from a residential area and adjacent to
property that may develop as residential.
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October 15, 1996
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would like to see what the
operation is. She stated that she realizes it is an office function, but
it is a service that licenses semi trucks from the site and she felt it
would be very difficult in the future to take a stance on requiring
office development in the area.
Mr. Laib responded that only 15% of the building would be used for
licensing - only a very small percentage of the Mn/DOT use will be
to service the trucks. He explained that most of the use will be the
Public Safety Department monitoring roads.
Councilmember Huber stated that Council spent a great deal of time
on SuperAmerica and limiting the size of vehicles coming to its site.
He was sympathetic to the time constraints but felt that Council
should look at the request more closely and receive a presentation by
the tenants. He was concerned that Mn/DOT might also close some
other licensing site and relocate it to the GNB building.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that if Council places a four -truck
restriction per day on the permit, the restriction should be enforced.
He pointed out that GNB has trucks coming to the site every day
now and he does not want them to lose the tenant.
Mr. Laib informed Council that he has been working with Mn/DOT
for nine months and the lease is very important to GNB.
Councilmember Smith stated that she would prefer that the licensing
function not be included and that she wants to be sure that Council
understands all of the ramifications.
Mr. Laib responded that he does not know if the lease would go
through without the licensing portion of the activity but that he
could discuss the possibility with Mn/DOT. He explained that the
4,900 square feet of space for licensing is in the middle of the
Mn/DOT space and the rest of the use has nothing to do with
licensing. He did not feel that three to four trucks per day is any
different from any other office in the city.
Councilmember Koch asked if Council were to place a four truck
restriction on approval if there would be a possibility that after the
five year lease GNB would come back again.
Mr. Laib responded that it is possible and that the state might move
the 4,900 square feet of licensing somewhere else but right now
there is a synergy in fitting all of the departments together at the
GNB facility.
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October 15, 1996
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council's concerns is that there could
be a residential use developed directly south of GNB in the future.
Councilmember Krebsbach asked how many sites Mn/DOT is
considering and if a two week delay in approval would kill the
project.
Mr. Laib responded that MN /DOT is not looking at other sites and
has given GNB a letter of intent, the lease has been drafted and
furniture has been ordered.
Mayor Mertensotto pointed out that GNB is an existing facility and
if the Mn/DOT lease is lost the building could be vacant.
Councilmember Smith stated that if Mn/DOT would agree to limit
truck traffic to three or four trucks per day she could agree to
approval but would want the city to have recourse if it turns out to
be more trucks. She asked whether a stipulation can be made in the
lease so that if there are more than four trucks per day the licensing
function must vacate the premises.
Mr. Laib responded that the stipulation could be put into the lease
before it is executed. Responding to a question from
Councilmember Smith about the tax status of the leased portion of
the building, Mr. Laib stated that the building will be fully taxed
since it is privately owned.
City Attorney Hart stated that the city would not have the right to
enforce the lease but could have the tenant sign a letter to the city
stipulating that the permit is granted in reliance on the covenant that
there will be no more than three to four trucks per day. This would
give the city the ability to enforce the covenant.
Mr. Laib stated that the truckers could come in via car to get the
licenses, and if there is a stipulation on only four trucks per day,
GNB could enforce the stipulation. He informed Council that GNB
will request approval to install an elevator in the future. He
explained that GNB staff would be located on both floors of the
building and the elevator would be used for freight. Responding to a
Council question on visitors to Mn/DOT, he stated that to his
knowledge the Mn/DOT use will be internal office space except for
licensing.
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October 15, 1996
Councilmember Koch moved to grant a conditional building permit
to GNB for remodeling the leased space which would include the
modifications necessary to install an exterior stairway and fire code
modifications as necessary with the provision that visitor parking is
limited to passenger vehicles only and not trucks and with the
understanding that GNB will obtain from its client a letter and
covenant agreeing that the licensing function occupying 4,900
square feet shall not exceed four trucks per day or will the function
will vacate the leased space within a reasonable amount of time.
Councilmember Huber seconded the motion.
Ayes: 4
Nays: 1 Krebsbach
City Attorney Hart was directed to prepare a resolution granting
approval of the permit for consideration on November 5.
Attorney Hart informed Council that he does a substantial amount of
legal work for the Welsh Companies, but GNB is the party that is
deemed to be adverse so he did not believe there is a conflict of
interest.
The applicants were informed that the conditional approval relates
only to the remodeling and parking expansion and does not include
the elevator.
ENTERPRISE CORPORATE Council acknowledged a letter from Mr. Dale Glowa, United
CENTRE Properties, requesting approval of tenant signage for the Enterprise
Corporate Centre. Council also acknowledged an associated memo
from Public Works Director Danielson. Mr. Glowa was present for
the discussion.
Mr. Glowa stated that that signage policy proposed is for signs that
will be attached above each tenant entry. He explained that the band
will be the standard light brown color upon which each tenant can
place its logo and sign. He explained that each tenant sign must fit
the space provided and will be subject to United Properties'
approval. The signage includes two sizes, depending on the size of
the tenant: single tenants leasing an entire suite entry and multiple -
tenants which would be two signs representing two tenants that
share a suite entry.
Councilmember Krebsbach moved to approve the sign policy for
Enterprise Corporate Centre as submitted.
Councilmember Smith seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
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October 15, 1996
AIR NOISE Council acknowledged a memo from Administrator Batchelder
regarding Airport Relations Commission recommendations for
additions to the Mitigation Committee recommendations regarding
airport operations and airport mitigation activities. Council also
acknowledged a letter from Mr. & Mrs. Courtney Pince regarding
FAA/MAC Part 150 eligibility for his home which was not included
in the program but is in the same block and same side of the street as
other homes on Wagon Wheel which were selected for the program.
Mr. & Mrs. Pince were present for the discussion.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that one item he has wanted back into the
recommendations is that the cities recommend where the boundary
blocks should be since the cities are more familiar.
Administrator Batchelder informed Council and the Pinces that the
city has received a very detailed map from MAC on the Part 150
Program which shows where LDN contours cut through blocks. He
stated that the map shows that four homes west of Rogers Lake on
Wagon Wheel should be included in the program, but that the city
has not heard formally from MAC that those homes will be included
for 1997.
Mayor Mertensotto briefly discussed the recommendations. He
stated that it is his contention that all of the Curley neighborhood, all
of Wagon Wheel Trail, the Rogers Lake Addition and all of the
original Friendly Hills should be included in the Part 150 Program
because all of those areas are subject to 90 dB but they are not in
LDN 65. He also informed Council that he will be pushing to get an
agreement in place on completion of the north -south runway before
the legislature is back in session.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that a resident complained to her
about C -130's doing night flights low over Mendota Heights and she
would like fore information on the issue. She pointed out that there
was a recent crash in Italy during a low approach operation and she
was concerned over safety issues.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that the MAC has no control over
military operations.
Responding to a question from Councilmember Huber,
Administrator Batchelder stated that MAC delivered a very detailed
map to the city two weeks ago showing LDN 65 contours and all of
the homes in the city that are eligible for Part 150. He informed
Council that it was apparent on the map that LDN 65 intersected the
blocks on the north side of Wagon Wheel and east of I -35E and only
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two homes are included in the program. He stated that the MAC
staff has agreed there was an error and the city has asked MAC to
make a decision - the other homes should be included if the
boundary maps are correct.
Councilmember Huber asked what the city can do for the Pinces and
stated that the city should at least get MAC to admit that the
properties should be included in the program
Mayor Mertensotto stated that he believes the Part 150 money for
1997 and 1998 will principally go to Minneapolis and perhaps
Bloomington if the 4 -22 runway recommendation is approved.
Mr. Pince stated that the planes are coming more rapidly - every
forty seconds, and the ones between 9:00 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. are the
most bothersome.
Councilmember Smith stated that she pointed out at the MASAC
meeting that the number of planes seems to be increasing and they
are flying later. She stated that since MAC has little control over the
planes that are delayed in the evening, she suggested cutting back on
the shoulder hours.
Administrator Batchelder stated that he will be at the MAC on
October 16 and will try to get a confirmation from Mr. Vecchi that
the homes on Wagon Wheel will be included in the program.
It was the consensus of Council to approve the recommendations of
the Airport Relations Commission and direct the Mayor to advocate
inclusion of the Airport Relations Commission's recommendations
in the MSP Mitigation Commission recommendations.
COUNCIL COMMENTS Councilmember Huber informed Council on comments he has
received from Friendly Hills residents wanting a stop sign at
Decorah and Apache. The matter was referred to the Police
Department for review.
Councilmember Huber expressed concern over safety on Delaware
Avenue at Huber Drive. He stated that although there is a no-
passing zone on Delaware, people going south on Delaware try to go
around cars turning onto Huber and there is very poor visibility and
no turn lane. It was the consensus to direct staff to refer the matter
to the Dakota County Highway Engineer, asking that the County
construct a right turn lane along southbound Delaware at Huber.
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October 15, 1996
ADJOURN There being no further business to come before the Council,
Councilmember Koch moved that the meeting be adjourned.
Councilmember Huber seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0 TIME OF ADJOURNMENT: 11:30 o'clock A.M.
ATTEST:
Charles E. Mertensotto
Mayor
Kaihleen M. Swanson, City Clerk
LIST OF CONTRACTORS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL
Excavating Contractor License
Tom Melling Excavating Inc.
General Contractor License
Fendler Construction
Acme Awning Co.Site Works Design, Inc.
Site Works Design Inc.
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