2002-01-15 City Council minutesPage No. 1
January 15, 2002
CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY
STATE OF MINNESOTA
Minutes of the Regular Meeting
Held Tuesday, January 15, 2002
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the regular meeting of the City Council, City of Mendota
Heights, Minnesota was held at 7:30 o'clock p.m. at City Hall, 1101 Victoria Curve, Mendota Heights,
Minnesota. The following members were present: Mayor Mertensotto, Councilmembers Dwyer,
Krebsbach, Schneeman and Vitelli.
AGENDA ADOPTION Councilmember Schneeman moved adoption of the revised agenda
for the meeting.
Councilmember Dwyer seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
APPROVAL OF MINUTES Councilmember Dwyer moved approval of the amended minutes of
the regular meeting held on January 3, 2001 as amended.
Councilmember Schneeman seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays:0
CONSENT CALENDAR Councilmember Vitelli moved approval of the consent calendar for
the meeting, revised to move items 5f, relocation funding for Annex
Cleaners, 5i, reappointment of city commissioners, and 5j, funding
request for ice arena study to the regular agenda, along with
authorization for execution of any necessary documents contained
therein.
a. Acknowledgment of the unapproved minutes from the
November 14, 2001 NDC4 commission meeting, the December
5, 2001 Executive Committee meeting and the agenda for the
January 10, 2002 full commission meeting.
b. Acknowledgment of the minut4es of the January 8, 2002 Parks
and Recreation Commission meeting.
c. Acknowledgment of the Treasurer's monthly report for
December.
d. Acknowledgment of the Fire Department monthly report for
December.
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e. Authorization for the Mayor and City Administrator to Execute a
developers agreement with the Dakota County CDA for senior
housing development.
f. Approval of the Year 2002 Council meeting schedule, which
includes rescheduling the March 5 meeting and starting the
November 5 meeting at 8:00 p.m.
g. Approval to schedule the annual Board of Review meeting for
7:00 p.m. on Tuesday, April 2, 2002.
h. Adoption of Resolution No. 02-03, "A RESOLUTION
RENEWING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO LINDER'S
GREENHOUSES TO OPERATE A TEMPORARY
SEASONAL GARDEN CENTER IN THE PARKING LOT OF
THE MENDOTA PLAZA UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS."
i. Adoption of Resolution No. 02-04, "RESOLUTION
ACCEPTING WORK AND APPROVING FINAL PAYMENT
FOR MARIE AVENUE MILL AND OVERLAY PAVING
PROJECT (IMPROVEMENT NO. 200 1, PROJECT# 1)."
j. Approval of the list of contractor licenses dated January 15,
2002.
k. Approval of the List of Claims dated January 15, 2002 and
totaling $874,189.28.
Councilmember Krebsbach seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
RELOCATION FUNDING Council acknowledged a memo from Administrator Lindberg
regarding a request from Annex Cleaners for approval of $6,940.15
in additional relocation funding to assist with building renovation
costs.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Faegre and Benson has not given the
city a recommendation to increase the relocation amount that has
been approved.
Administrator Lindberg responded that Steve Carlson called her
regarding the request from Annex. Faegre and Benson has indicated
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that the city is obligated to pay relocation but the request is over and
above the city's obligation.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that when the contract was negotiated, it
was noted that relocation runs about 20% of the acquisition cost.
The Dziks are now requesting Council to pay for installation of
electrical, signage, etc. He felt the request is uncalled for and that
the city should only pay what is required by statute and stated that he
agrees to the original $20,000 relocation figure.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that he would like additional
information. He stated that he has seen references to a lump sum of
$20,000 and that the city is required to pay that amount. He stated
that he would like to know where that number comes from in state
statute. He would also like information on the difference between
relocation benefits and reestablishment expenses. If the Dziks are
able to seek money under relocation as well as reestablishment, and
the city's legal costs would likely exceed the requested $6,900, the
city would likely be better off paying them $26,900. He also asked
about timing and whether the city could give them the $20,000 now.
Administrator Lindberg responded that the Dzik family would like to
get into their new quarters in February.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that he would have no problem with
giving them the $20,000 now. If there are additional funds to be
considered, Council can do that later.
Councilmember Vitelli moved to proceed with the payment of
$20,000 in relocation expenses and request additional information on
the request.
Councilmember Schneeman seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
COMMISSION Council acknowledged a memo from Administrator Lindberg
APPOINTMENTS regarding expired advisory commission terms and appointments.
Councilmember Schneeman noted that there is a vacancy on the
Parks and Recreation Commission due to the resignation of Jay
Liberacki. She encouraged women to apply since there are currently
no female members.
Councilmember Dwyer commented that Council does not
discriminate on the basis of sex.
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Mayor Mertensotto stated that there is an opening on the Parks and
Recreation Commission that must be filled and that the appointment
is open to anyone who wishes to apply.
Councilmember Krebsbach moved to reappoint Joe Betlej to the
Planning Commission, Ellsworth Stein and Greg Fitzer to the
Airport Relations Commission and Dick Spicer to the Parks and
Recreation Commission for three year terms beginning on February
1, 2002.
Councilmember Dwyer seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
ICE ARENA STUDY Council acknowledged a memo from Administrator Lindberg
regarding continued discussion on a request from Mr. Frank Lang on
behalf of St. Thomas Academy for $15,000 to assist in funding an
ice arena study. Couricil also acknowledged two letters from Mr.
Lang and a letter from the University of St. Thomas and a staff
memo regarding the Parks and Recreation Commission's
recommendation on the matter. Mr. Lang and Mr. McKasy were
present for the discussion.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Mr. Lang's letter that was submitted
today talks about the need for three additional locker rooms. He
asked how many locker rooms Mr. Lang is talking about and how
many would ordinarily be needed.
Mr. Lang responded that four locker rooms were originally
anticipated, but that two more are needed for St. Thomas University,
and those two would be larger than the others.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the study should show what it would
cost to build an arena for use by St. Thomas Academy, MHAA and
Henry Sibley High School. Any extras that would be exclusive for
St. Thomas University would have to be separately discussed.
Council would have to know the cost and the revenue situation.
With response to the list of study items on Mr. Lang's list,
Councilmember Krebsbaeb stated that the feasibility study she
would look for is a simple arena for St. Thomas Academy, Henry
Sibley and MHAA, and not the collegiate scale. She would be
concerned about anything that brings it up to a higher standard. She
would like to know what benefits the arena would have for the
residents of Mendota Heights. She informed Mr. Lang that she
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would like to see a feasibility study for a simple arena as was
originally discussed and secondarily, if St. Thomas University is
included, a different feasibility on what it would cost and how costs
would be covered.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the needs assessment should be for a
basic ice arena and then there should be an enhancement additional
studying capacity and other needs for collegiate level play.
Mr. Lang responded that the revenue streams will be substantially
different both in terms of ice time and advertising. The ability to
achieve additional advertising income comes at the college level.
Councilmember Krebsbach responded that Council agreed at the
recent workshop that neither St. Thomas Academy nor the city wants
to be responsible for operating costs.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the report should include how the
facility would be managed and what the costs would be.
Councilmember Schneeman stated that she has many concerns and
would write them down and give them to Mr. Lang.
Responding to a Council question, Mr. Tim Milnar, from MHAA,
stated that the association needs about 600 square feet of meeting
and office space and about 1,500 square feet for storage.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council is discussing the letter from
Mr. Lang, and the direction is that Mr. Lang is to amend his letter to
specifically differentiate between St. Thomas Academy et al and the
addition of St. Thomas University.
Councilmember Vitelli stated that the study specification is very ill
defined. Before the city spends $15,000, Council needs a much
better definition of the study and its bounds and expected results.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that when he spoke to Springstead
about the similar study they did for the Mahtomedi school district,
they said that $15,000, should cover the costs for the study. It could
cost $75,000 for an expansive study. If Council needs additional
study, it can be done after the initial study is completed.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she will support the feasibility
study but in know way would that commit her to supporting the
arena.
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Mayor Mertensotto stated that St. Thomas Academy understands that
there is no commitment, and the St. Thomas board has said it is not
making a commitment either until the costs are known. He
suggested that Mr. Lang revise his letter and submit it to a
subcommittee of Councilmember Dwyer and Krebsbach for review
and approval.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would like to hear from
Mr. Milnar. A key to the issue is whether this is a facility that
MHAA needs.
Mr. Milnar responded that MHAA would very much like to have an
ice arena in the city. The hockey program continues to grow and
MHAA continues spending money for ice time. He encouraged
Council to move forward with the study, stating that MHAA feels it
would be an advantage for the city.
Councilmember Vitelli stated that he will not support the study
funding tonight. The donation of land by St. Thomas Academy is
very generous, and St. Thomas Academy and St. Thomas University
are excellent institutions, but he must represent all of the citizens of
Mendota Heights and does not feel comfortable supporting it now.
He felt very strongly that if St. Thomas Academy was very confident
that this was break even or better, they would build the arena and ask
the city for some form of revenue bond to get a reduced interest rate.
Short of that, he feels that if the Academy board felt strongly, they
would have come forward with a proposal to the city. If they are
convinced the arena would be break even or better, they should
support the costs. He would support a proposal for the city to pay
one -third of the study cost and St. Thomas Academy paying two -
thirds. He did not feel that the study was well enough defined for the
city to put forward $15,000 at this time. Also, he felt that at the
workshop he would hear about financial and operational aspects but
heard nothing. No one has told him how this will likely work, and
he cannot support committing tax payers money at this time.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that it is unlikely that the St. Thomas
Academy Board of 35 members all support the proposal, but there is
no other location appropriate for an ice arena in the city. If the city
is to every have a hockey arena, this may be the only opportunity.
Mr. Matt Kraft, Athletic Director for Henry Sibley High School,
submitted a letter on behalf of the school district. He stated that the
district has 80 acres of land at Sibley, much of which is included in a
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joint powers agreement with the city. The district feels that if
Council chooses to go ahead with a study, they should consider
building the arena on public (school district) property.
Mayor Mertensotto responded that most of the 80 acres is occupied
with tennis courts or is used by MHAA for ball. He asked where an
arena could be placed at Sibley. He further stated that he would like
someone from the school district let Council know how much area
the high school would give up for development of an ice arena.
Council has no knowledge of the district's future development plans
for Sibley. He informed Mr. Kraft that Council will accept the letter
and if the district wants to make a contribution, they should let
Council know what land is available without relocating existing
facilities.
Mr. Kraft responded that his predecessor was a member of the
hockey arena task force. He stated that he does not see any problem
about using the Sibley property and hopes that it would be part of the
feasibility study.
Councilmember Dwyer responded that the feasibility report Council
is seeking incorporates the use of the St. Thomas Academy land as a
donation. It does not envision an arena at Sibley. The feasibility
report would specifically incorporate the land at St. Thomas.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that there is nothing to stop the school
district from making a suggestion to the city saying that the district
has looked at its comprehensive plan and asks the city to consider a
hockey arena at the Sibley site. They would have to give
information on where it could be located without relocating existing
facilities.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that Mr. Kraft wants Council to
authorize a very broad feasibility study on locating an ice arena
anywhere in the city.
Mr. Kraft responded that last fall the school district approached the
voters for operating money and the referendum failed. The district is
certainly not going to approach the voters to ask for an ice arena. If
the city is going to spend public money to go forward with the study
for building an arena on private land, they should also include
consideration of building an ice arena on public land.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Mr. Kraft should give Council
additional information, including the school district's long range
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planning for the school district property. Council is not making any
commitment to an arena at this time — until basic information is
available, Council is just speculating.
Mr. Rob Meyer informed Council that MHAA does not have
hockey, but rather that the West St. Paul Youth Athletic Association
provides the hockey program for Mendota Heights youth. He asked
if anyone has contacted them.
Councilmember Schneeman responded that the information the city
has received is that 67% of the children in the hockey problem are
from Mendota Heights. The task force did talk to the association.
Mr. Milnar stated that he is speaking for the MHAA board who
made a decision two years ago to join with West St. Paul and co -host
the hockey program. About 60% of the children in the program are
Mendota Heights residents, and MHAA is speaking on behalf of
those kids. The hockey program will remain a combined program
with the West St. Paul Athletic Association, and MHAA would like
to have an arena in Mendota Heights. He stated that MHAA
contributed $44,000 to the hockey program last year.
Councilmember Vitelli read the letter from Superintendent Longtin
for the audience and stated that Council should take the letter into
consideration and at least place a call to him.
Councilmember Dwyer asked why St. Thomas would pay anything
towards a study that would be for other property. This is the first
time Council has heard of any interest from the school district.
Council is not talking this evening about a feasibility study that
encompasses school district land.
Councilmember Schneeman moved to direct Mr. Lang to revise his
letter to differentiate between the basic needs and the enhanced
needs if St. Thomas University is included in the program and to
authorize an expenditure of $15,000 for the feasibility report subject
to approval of the letter by a subcommittee of Cotuicilmembers
Dwyer and Krebsbach.
Councilmember Dwyer seconded the motion.
Ayes: 4
Nays: 1 Vitelli Councilmember Krebsbach asked that the school district letter be
sent to Springstead Associates for informational purposes.
Mayor Mertensotto agreed, but stated that the district has not
discussed study funding.
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INTRODUCTIONS Police Chief Piotraschke introduced new Police Officer Jennifer
Hurst to Council and the audience.
PUBLIC COMMENTS Mr. Clifford Timm, a West St. Paul resident, was present to express
his concern about geese because of the phosphorous they add to
lakes. They also pollute golf courses and ballfields and are
dangerous to air traffic. He stated that he has asked the DNR to
reduce the geese population because people are concerned. Mr.
Brian Lueth, from the DNR informed him that people who are
concerned should contact him. Mr. Timm stated that the DNR
should be the central agency responsible for the geese problem, and
that is what he is working on. He described methods available for
reducing the geese population and asked if the city can relax its rules
regarding discharging firearms in the city. He stated that the city
.must come up with something to alleviate the problems.
Mayor Mertensotto informed the audience that Mr. Timm has been a
substantial benefactor to the city, especially to fishing. He stated
that Council appreciates Mr. Timm's enthusiasm.
Mr. Timm stated that he would like to give information to the
newspaper report for a future article on the geese problem.
DODGE NATURE CENTER Council acknowledged a memo from Public Works Director
Danielson regarding a request from the Dodge Nature Center for
authorization to temporarily move a barn from the Ridder property to
the Dodge Nature Center property, with the condition that the nature
center make the appropriate planning applications and that the
authorization not constitute any commitment to future approvals of
the applications. Mr. Dave Napier was present on behalf of the
nature center.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that his only concern is that the Dodge
Nature Center property is zoned R -1 and the center would need a
conditional use permit to the barn. Because the barn must be moved
in the very near future, the Planning Commission cannot give a
timely response. The nature center has indicated it would undertake
the risk and move the building early. He stated that Dodge Nature
Center must acknowledge that it is a risk on their part and that
Council is not making any commitment to planning approvals.
Mr. Napier stated that he is asking for Council to approve moving
the barn to a temporary location. The Nature Center staff is not
sure where the final location would be yet — there are two existing
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houses and barns on the property, and both of the barns are in bad
condition. When a decision is made on which of them should be
replaced, the Nature Center will file an application for conditional
use permit with the city. He stated that there are two options for a
temporary location — in the nature center parking lot near the existing
barn on the westerly side of the farmstead or at the easterly side of
the property near the existing barn. He stated that parking at the
easterly side would be easier and that would be his preference.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that he did not think the church would like
a barn right next to their parking lot. He felt that the other site would
be better.
Councilmember Dwyer moved to grant permission to temporarily
park the barn at the easterly location until such time as Dodge Nature
Center goes through the public hearing process, with the
understanding there is no commitment to ftitare approvals.
Co-Lincilmember Vitelli seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
INET Council acknowledged a report from Police Chief Piotraschke
regarding the proposed NDC4 Institutional Network (INET) Service
Agreement. Chief Piotraschke, NDC4 Executive Director Jodie
Miller and Mr. Mike Sokol, the city's citizen representative on
NDC4 were present for the discussion.
Chief Piotraschke stated that he and Ms. Miller appeared before
Council in October to discuss the issue and were directed to provide
additional information. He stated that INET has been proposed for
quite some time through franchise negotiations between NDC4 and
the franchisee. NDC4 is trying to bring all the entities in the
franchise together in INET. There are two options for participation:
a five year payment plan or up front. In October, he recommended
that participation was a good idea and up front payment would be
most appropriate. Council members voiced concerns over cost
versus benefit. Much of the cost/benefit depends on ftiture planning
and what entities want to do with the network, so it is difficult to
give concrete figures at this time. He has contacted the State of
Minnesota regarding their current charges to the city for data
connection versus INET and there has been a positive response that
the state would be willing to take some of the money they would
save in lease lines and turn that back to the city. The city could
direct that to help pay for INET expenses. It is very difficult to
positively say what INET will do for the city in the future, but he can
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say it will increase the capacity the city currently has for data
connection to at least gigabyte speed. That is a moot point if all the
city does is send email, but where it will be needed for city
government is whenever it becomes apparent that video
conferencing, and transfer of large GIS data that are now impractical
become common place and very practical. He stated that he cannot
tell Council tonight everything the city would do with INET next
year or the year after or ten years from now, but the fact that the city
can anticipate directing some of what it is currently paying each year
for connectivity is a positive. The question is whether the city wants
to invest in the technology now or wait and chance that it will be
more expensive in the future.
Councilmember Schneeman asked Chief Piotraschke if he feels
strongly that the city needs INET. She also asked if it would be
advantageous to the city from a public safety standpoint to have
INET.
Chief Piotraschke responded that his opinion, as a Police Chief, is
that it is always exciting to find new ways to send and receive data
and the ability to send and receive large graphics images is enticing.
He stated that INET has the potential of benefiting all city
departments. The band width the city would have access to would
allow staff to do things in all areas of the government that cannot be
done today.
Councilmember Schneeman asked if there is an approximate cost
savings if all of the telecommunications in all of the city's buildings
were bundled.
Chief Piotraschke responded that consolidating the City Hall phone
system with the two other facilities would be expensive because it
would be an expansion of the system. The difference between
having INET and not having it is that with INET the city would only
have to purchase hardware, without it the city would need hardware
and would also have to lease lines.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that his concern is over additional staffing
requirements. The fire department is not staffed now and public
works does not have support staff. This is new technology and he
was concerned about the staff expense for the new technology. He
stated that the city spent $84,000 with the state grant for computer
technology for laptops, etc. for the Police Department. That money
was well spent. INET is new technology — AT &T will install fiber
optics and will charge the cities, and the city would certainly have
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staffing problems. He would like to see cities that get large Local
Government Aid money do this first and Mendota Heights can learn
from them.
Councilmember Vitelli complimented Ms. Miller for all of her work
for the cable commission and for providing answers to the questions
Council raised at the last discussion on INET. He also expressed
appreciation to Chief Piotraschke for seeking out the benefits. He
stated that he is against the proposal for four reasons. He thinks it is
a bad financial deal; the hidden costs that will have many cost
implications over the next fiver years; there really are no benefits to
the residents of the city to justify the expense; and dealing with
AT&T. As an analogy, he stated that what AT&T has proposed is
like AT&T building him a house at cost. He would be paying for it
but AT&T would own it. AT&T will build the fiber optics system at
cost, the INET participants will pay for it and AT&T will own it.
At the end of 13 years they will charge the city rent. The city will
have invested significant money and at the end of 13 years will be
captive to AT&T because the cost to move is terrible. He was
concerned about the hidden costs. There are some benefits to
integrating the phone systems for the three city buildings, but that
could cost as much as $ 10,000. The city would have to connect to
the INET and would have to buy hardware to connect it at all three
buildings. Consultants would be needed to do the connection and
help the city select hardware and the city would bear those costs. He
anticipated that would cost $25,000. Then the city would have to
retain someone to manage the network.. Also, the city does not have
the staff to do the types of activities to gain the benefits that were
cited. The city could spend $30,000 over the next two years on
consultants. AT&T says there are no maintenance costs but if
something goes wrong the city will have to pay for it - AT&T is not
known for customer service. He stated in summary that the city is
looking at an additional $50,000 in costs. He felt that participating
in INET is a bad idea.
Councilmember Schneeman asked how many other entities could
afford to participate because it is very expensive.
Councilmember Vitelli stated that his prediction for the ftiture is that
the city will not lose any opportunity if it waits three years because
broadband costs will go down.
Councilmember Kiebsbach stated that she is not prepared to support
INET at this time. She felt that the technology will be changing. It
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was noted at a recent higher education conference she attended that
this will be a wireless world in three years.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that Chief Piotraschke and Ms. Miller
have spent a lot of time and done a good job of putting everything
into plain English. He was concerned over timing — he felt it is
premature for a city the size of Mendota Heights to jump into
leading edge technology. Also, he was concerned about the
termination language in the agreement. The city would have the
ability to get out of the agreement but it would not be easy and it
could be very costly for legal fees. He felt the city should sit on the
sidelines and watch the prices in the future and then see what benefit
it has.
Ms. Miller stated that NDC4 is making sure the cable company
meets its obligations under the franchise. Mendota Heights is in a
challenging position because it is not in a situation where it has
network connections between facilities. Other cities are replacing
current costs for connections with INET. Mendota Heights has the
challenge of trying to determine what cost savings are versus use .
There are two immediate applications Mendota Heights could use
that would pay for the network. Besides connecting to 41 sites in the
seven city area, the city would have a connection to the State of
Minnesota, University of Minnesota, Dakota County, the educational
consortium in Roseville and several other governmental
organizations. Existing city costs would pay for INET — the
connection to the state is T1, and that could be stopped; if the city
installed a central phone system, the two remote facilities could be
connected. It would cost about $10,000 for hardware to update the
phone system and would save $86,000 over thirteen years for the
cost of the existing phone lines. Those two uses would pay the total
cost for INET. She stated that she is convinced it would be cost
beneficial to the city. Regarding Councilmember Vitelli's analogy
to the house, she stated that in her mind, the cable company is
building her a house at far below market value and she would have
no housing costs for thirteen years. At the end of the thirteen years
she can walk away if she wants because she has already reaped the
benefit for 13 years. She stated that there are 13 entities involved
that total 41 buildings. Seven of the entities have approved the
agreement and are already going forward. Two have opted out (St.
Thomas Academy and St. Croix Lutheran). Four are still pending —
Independent School District 917 and three cities. If those entities
join, the INET would encompass eleven entities and 39 buildings. If
one or two drop out, the cable commission will have to revisit the
costs and divide the m up and the entities will have to decide if it
still looks like a good idea. If the City Council waits to see, it may
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not happen. If the others join INET, they will form a user group and
manage it. If someone else wants to join in the future, the user group
woud have to assess what it would cost to bring them in. She stated
that she would assume that the user group would want new comers
to pay at least what they paid in the beginning.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the house analogy does not take into
account that the city must buy the equipment. Then employees
would need to be trained. Lots of people would have to use the
INET or it would lose value, and training is not cheap.
Ms. Miller responded that the employees would be doing what they
are doing now - use of the Internet and the state network used by the
Police Department and the telephone system — and would not require
additional training. Most likely the state of Minnesota and Intertech
will be managing the network. It is very likely that will be provided
in exchange for the cost savings the state will receive. They have
already committed to discounting either the management or the
hardware that needs to be purchased.
Chief Piotraschke explained that Intertech is the technology arm of
the state. Currently, with the city's state connection, the state owns
everything up to the router. From his involvment in the user group,
the state wants to transfer the connection to fiber optics. Their long
term goal is MNET. Right now if the router goes down in his office
it is the city's problem. He stated that he really believes that INET
will be handled the same way the frame relay is handled now, and it
is his guess that the INET will be managed in the same way. That
would eliminate some of Council's concerns about on -going support.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council must look at what capability
the city does not have now that INET would give it. The city is
communicating now and there are means of connecting to the
internet now. Fiber optics is faster, but that does not mean it is
better.
Responding to a Council question, Ms. Miller stated that Dakota
County, Independent School District 197, Visitation School, the
South St. Paul School District, the Inver Grove Heights school
district, the City of Inver Grove Heights and Inver Hills Community
College have signed the agreement.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she can see the application for
education but it is more of a challenge to see the application for
cities.
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Councilmember Schneeman asked when Council must make a
decision.
Ms. Miller responded that rather than have Council vote no tonight,
she could take time to provide more information on the specifics on
the state's involvement for Council to consider. West St. Paul and
South St. Paul will be considering INET this month, so there is still
time. Responding to a question from Councilmember Kiebsbach
about whether the educational community received any legislative
funding for INET, she stated they did not, but they are already
spending much more connecting their buildings together. They will
save money.
Mr. Sokol stated that he was involved in the negotiation process for
franchise renewal. The cable commission clearly sees a benefit to all
the constituents in the seven city area and negotiated INET at cost.
This is an opportunity for those who are forward- looking to see what
INET can do for them over the next 13 years. The initial cost for
fiber optics is $13 million. This is a situation where the city would
be leasing a transport device. The city would not own it, and in 13
years it may not be the current or best technology. Right now the
city can build upon it and use it as a transport meditun and in the
future could go to whatever system is current. The city is currently
receiving about $20,000 in returned franchise fee payments each
year from the cable commission, and that is expected to continue.
INET is a really good use for that money. This is essentially a
private network.. Any other vendor who comes in and wants to
connect to it would have to join the network. It is a network
specifically for the seven cities, it is at cost and significantly less
than another vendor would charge.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that Council needs to look at how it
spends city money and what the city is deficient in. He stated that
the matter can be left open.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that what concerns him is that the
group that goes in for the investment will have some say in what
others will be charged to come in in the future.
SPRINT UTILITY PERMIT Council acknowledged a memo from Public Works Director
Danielson regarding a request from Sprint for a permit to extend
fiber optic lines. The memo also discussed working with Qwwest
and Excel with respect to future extensions to serve developments in
Mendota Heights.
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Mayor Mertensotto stated that a city ordinance prohibits issuing
permits to utility companies that do not have franchises with the city.
Council is not interested in charging franchise fee to Sprint at this
time, but the ordinance allows the city to enter into a service
agreement with Sprint for an extended period of time and reserve the
right to charge a franchise fee. If the utility disrupts city streets
during installation, they would be required to restore the streets. He
stated that the permit could be for ten years with an option to renew
to fifteen years.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that his only concern is if Council
takes no action with the utilities it could impair the ability to deal
with other utilities.
Council directed staff to prepare a draft contract /permit with Sprint
for installation of its lines.
LANDFORM FEES Council acknowledged a memo from Administrator Lindberg
regarding a proposal from Carolyn Krall, from Landform, for
additional funding and continuing professional services for Town
Center. Ms. Krall was present for the discussion.
Ms. Krall stated that the project continues but she has run out of fees.
She reviewed her request for Council for an additional $50,300
contract that would cover her work on the 2001 the Livable
Communities application process and application for the 2002
grants; an additional $11,000 appropriation for design guideline
development and $14,000 for coordination meetings.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that at the last Council meeting, Council
discussed that the project has been downsized from $50 million to
$39 million. He stated that Council needs to be concerned about the
cost of amenities. He stated that he would like to separate the grant
application costs from the other items.
Ms. Krall responded that she has done that. She estimates that
preparing the grant application will cost $10,000. Grant preparation
would be under the same contract but would be a separate item.
Mayor Mertensotto felt there should be a separate contract. Also, he
stated that he spoke to Mark Ulfers at the CDA and he said that he
would leave subsidized versus market rate open. He asked how long
Ms. Krall will be working for the requested funding.
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January 15, 2002
Ms. Krall stated that the contract would take her through the end of
the second stage of the PUD submittal process.
Mayor Mertensotto stated that the CDA thinks it can get started mid-
summer with opening of the senior facility in the Spring of 2003. He
asked Ms. Krall if she sees any reason why that timetable cannot be
met.
Ms. Krall responded that she is still working on the timeline. There
is a question of whether the CDA will commit to this project this
summer or whether they start it next spring. There are several other
projects competing with the city for CDA housing.
Administrator Lindberg stated that the CDA has given every
indication that they would be ready to go this summer.
Councilmember Dwyer stated that there is a reference in the CDA
agreement consent calendar item to commencing in 2003. The CDA
agreement is silent, but the memo from the City Administrator says
that the CDA is interested in moving forward.
Administrator Lindberg responded that the CDA have indicted they
will be willing to begin this summer if the project continues moving
forward as it has been.
Ms. Krall reviewed the components of the contract, which are
$15,300 for the 2001 grant application, $ 10,000 for the 2002
application and $25,000 to allow her to finish the current work on
submittals, coordination meetings and coordination communications
through the end of April. It does not include any engineering by
Landform. The coordination meetings would be meetings with city
staff, engineers, Planning Commission meetings, Council meetings,
public presentations, etc.
Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she is concerned about having
approved something and then changing it.
Ms. Krall responded that if there is another significant change on the
part of the developer or the city, that would cost more money. Mr.
Feffercorn is not making any plan changes at this point. The plan
will be before the Planning Commission for hearing, and there may
need to be a workshop.
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Councilmember Krebsbach stated that she would have preferred that
the changes that were presented to her and Council at the workshop
were presented at a regular meeting.
Ms. Krall responded that what was discussed at that workshop was
developer modifications. She felt that if the developer came forward
with any changes he should bring them to Council at a workshop.
Mr. Feffercorn would like to have more units and she has not been
willing to address that because she feels it is a significant change. If
Mr. Feffercorn wants additional plan changes or if it is something he
does that causes delays, she will notify Council.
Councilmember Dwyer moved to approve the request for an increase
of $25,000 in budgeted items for ASA 1, and increases in ASA 2 of
$15,300 for work done on the 2001 Livable Communities Grant
application and a separated budgeted item of $10,000 for the 2002
grant application.
Councilmember Vitelli seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
ADJOURN There being no further business to come before Council,
Councilmember Krebsbach moved that the meeting be adjourned to
closed session for a performance evaluation for the City
Administrator.
Councilmember Dwyer seconded the motion.
Ayes: 5
Nays: 0
TIME OF ADJOURNMENT: 10:11 p.m.
K thleen M. Swanson
City Clerk
ATTEST:
- A�'4 -9.
Charles E. Mertensotto
Mayor