2020-10-08 Planning Commission MinutesAPPROVED 10/27/2020
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CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
OCTOBER 8, 2020
The special meeting of the Mendota Heights Planning Commission was held on Thursday, October
8, 2020 in the Council Chambers at City Hall, 1101 Victoria Curve at 7:00 P.M.
The following Commissioners were present: Chair Mary Magnuson, Commissioners John
Mazzitello, Patrick Corbett, Litton Field, Michael Toth, and Brian Petschel. Commissioner
Andrew Katz was absent.
Hearings
A)PLANNING CASE 2020-15
MICHELLE CULLIGAN (ACTING ON BEHALF OF LARRY AND MARY
CULLIGAN), GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NW QUADRANT OF
VICTORIA CURVE AND GLENHILL ROAD – PRELIMINARY PLAT,
CRITICAL AREA PERMIT, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCES
Community Development Director Tim Benetti explained that Michelle Culligan, acting on behalf
of her parents and property owners Larry and Mary Culligan, is seeking to subdivide an existing
vacant parcel into nine new lots, to be titled “Valley View Oak 3rd Addition”. The plat would
create eight new single-family building lots and one existing lot for the Culligan home. This
preliminary plat includes a request for a critical area permit (CAP) due to the location of this site
in the Mississippi River Critical Area, a conditional use permit (CUP) to develop and disturb areas
on slopes between 18 and 40 percent throughout the site, and variances to certain roadway
standards, retaining wall standards, structure setbacks and other standards related to proposed
construction activities.
Hearing notices were published and mailed to all properties within 350-ft. of the site; and noted
that the concerns and responses were included as a part of the packet.
Community Development Director Tim Benetti provided a planning staff report and a presentation
on this planning item to the Commission (which is available for viewing through the City’s
website).
Staff reviewed the possible actions the Commission could take.
Commissioner Corbett asked staff for additional details on the secondary DNR letter received
related to this request. He stated that in his interpretation of the letter, it states that the City has
antiquated ordinances for what defines a bluff; therefore, this plan is based on antiquated and poor
definitions. He stated that the City should be using this guidance for its decision, as the City
ordinances will need to be updated in the future to match these 2017 regulations of the DNR.
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Community Development Director Tim Benetti commented that although the DNR did update its
rules, the City has an identified amount of time to update its ordinance and is currently operating
under the existing ordinances.
Commissioner Corbett commented that based on the new definitions, this whole area would be a
bluff and undevelopable.
Chair Magnuson stated that she shared those same concerns. She stated that there is a rule that
requires cities to adopt ordinances that meet the new standards but until that is done, cities are
required to review requests under their existing ordinances. She stated that notice has been
provided to the City and the City has one year to update its ordinances.
Commissioner Petschel asked if it is known when the subsequent Braun Intertec report would be
available. He stated that it appears the report makes no statement about the stability of the land
post-project.
COMMISSIONER FIELD, MOVED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TOTH, TO REOPEN
THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
Michelle Culligan, applicant, stated that they took the feedback, questions and concerns raised in
July and made the changes to the plan as proposed tonight. He stated that the objective has been
to approach this in an environmentally conscious method with a focus on preservation of wooded
lands, stormwater management/drainage/grading, retaining walls, soils analysis and slope stability.
She provided some pictures of the existing conditions on the site.
Tom Goodrum, Loucks, stated that he was part of the DNR Task Force and Met Council related
to the rules process and confirmed that cities are intended to follow their existing rules until their
ordinances are updated. He stated that within the critical area, this property is identified as CASR
(critical area separated from river) and noted that all of the adjacent properties are within the same
CASR area and are developed. He stated that the DNR expects development within this area of
the critical area, as long as it is sensitive and follows the appropriate regulations. He stated that
this project is focuses on the goals of the CASR as it minimizes development impacts and focuses
on erosion and stormwater control. He stated that the variances are requested in order to minimize
development impacts on erosion and stormwater control.
Commissioner Petschel asked if Mr. Goodrum is a civil engineer.
Mr. Goodrum replied that he is a City Planner.
Commissioner Petschel asked if these statements should then be considered statement of fact.
Commissioner Mazzitello stated that he would ask that the geotechnical engineer to address that
issue.
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Commissioner Petschel stated that he is attempting to consider the comments as statement of fact
but wanted to ensure that he has the proper credentials.
Mr. Goodrum provided details on the slope analysis. He stated that their proposed development
is designed to focus on erosion and stormwater control issues.
Michael St. Martin, Loucks, stated that he has been involved for the past eight months, along with
Braun Intertec. He reviewed the project area summary identifying areas that would be placed in
conservation easement through the HOA, areas that would be used for development of homes and
infrastructure, and the area designated for the pond. He provided details on the stormwater
management and drainage plan, including the Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan (SWPPP)
and ongoing maintenance duties. He described the path that the drainage currently follows to
Mendota and noted that the majority of that water post development would be captured through
this system and its storm sewer. He reviewed the proposed rates of reduction for the property
under the proposed conditions. He described details of the grading plan and retaining walls as
related to the soils and slope analysis.
Commissioner Petschel asked for input on the statement that the City’s retaining wall ordinance
having no basis in engineering best practices.
Mr. St. Martin replied stated described the challenge with a five-foot wall height and 20-foot
terrace. He stated that with that design they would never catch grade and would have had to
remove many more trees.
Commissioner Petschel recognized that the ordinance is not as flexible and adds design challenges.
He asked if the City is violating engineering best practices or whether there would be a reason
someone would want 20-foot separation.
Mr. St. Martin replied that it is very conservative and would consider that a landscaping wall to
make up grade.
Commissioner Toth confirmed that the road would be the first element and asked the number of
yards of soil that will be removed in order to put in the base and where the soil would be stored.
Mr. St. Martin explained that this would be almost an entirely imported project. He described the
process they would follow and where they would stockpile soils. He reviewed the timeline of
when the different site improvements would be completed.
Commissioner Toth asked what would be put in place to prevent the soil from moving down the
hill when constructing the retaining walls.
Mr. St. Martin explained how the retaining wall construction process would occur. He stated that
he is confident that during a rain event, the soils would be held in place and described the materials
that could be used to reinforce the soils. He provided details on possible landscaping species.
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Commissioner Toth stated that over a period of time the tree root will grow down and could find
the weakest point of the retaining wall, which could cause it to collapse.
Mr. St. Martin stated that the root mass itself helps to stabilize the wall.
Commissioner Toth asked when excavation would begin if this project is approved.
Mr. St. Martin replied that would occur in the spring.
Commissioner Toth commented that this parcel will be open and the soil will absorb next year’s
moisture but asked if after a point of time, because of the freeze/thaw cycle, the layers of rock
could expand and cause a failure in the wall system.
Mr. St. Martin replied that the key component is to control the water and provided details on the
freed raining rock system that would be tied into the geosystem.
Commissioner Toth asked the maintenance that would be completed on the walls and who would
be responsible.
Mr. St. Martin provided details on the maintenance and noted that would be the responsibility of
the HOA. He provided details on the drainage system that would be installed as a part of the road
construction. He explained that they are intercepting the drainage at multiple locations. He
compared the existing condition to the proposed conditions.
Commissioner Toth commented that the drain tile would only be efficient when it is not frozen
conditions. He noted that under spring melt conditions that water would flow down to the wall.
Mr. St. Martin stated that the drain tile under the street would not be frozen and would still intercept
that water and direct that to the pond and downstream storm sewer.
Commissioner Petschel asked why a barrier is not shown in one location and asked for details
related to liability.
Mr. St. Martin commented that fences could be installed atop the walls and at the ends of the walls
which would prevent people from accessing that area without climbing a fence. He stated that it
would be a question related to foot traffic and noted that they would review those details further.
He provided photographic examples of different retaining walls and fencing.
Commissioner Corbett asked if this project could be completed without variances.
Mr. St. Martin commented that they would never catch grade without the retaining wall variance.
He noted that without the three-tier system they would be using the house as the first tier.
Commissioner Corbett stated that there are so many variances requested and that one could wonder
if this is the right fit if it cannot meet the requirements of so many ordinances. He asked for input
on the DNR letter.
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Mr. St. Martin replied that he has built projects on very challenging sites with bluffs and noted that
the key is controlling the water. He described the measures that are put in place to ensure it is
done right.
Commissioner Corbett asked if the applicant has any thoughts as to why the DNR recommendation
changed to lead in that way. He commented that the City has experienced many failures along the
bluff line in the past five years.
Mr. St. Martin replied that the DNR is charged to protect natural resources and therefore will take
a conservative approach. He stated that they would like to build a development in the proper
manner to ensure that there are not problems down the road, and they believe that can be done.
Commissioner Corbett asked who would be responsible for the holding pond and ensuring that is
working.
Mr. St. Martin commented that the front entry landscaping and pond would be a part of the HOA
owned land. He stated that the walls would technically be owned by the homeowner whose
property it would lie on, but the HOA would maintain the walls.
Public Works Director Ryan Ruzek commented that in a typical development, the roadway,
utilities, and stormwater ponds do become an asset of the City. He stated that he requested that
the pond be in an accessible location and that is why this location was chosen.
Commissioner Corbett noted that his question was in attempt to determine whom would be
responsible in terms of liability if things were to fail. He asked if there has been any work with
the citizens of Mendota to benchmark the existing conditions and ensure that this development
does not exacerbate those conditions.
Mr. St. Marin noted that they heard the comments from the residents in Mendota and provided
examples of how some of that water will be intercepted through the project.
Commissioner Corbett asked what would happen if a pylon for a retaining wall tapped into an
underground spring and exacerbated the current flow. He believed that a plan should be in place
for the what ifs.
Mr. St. Martin explained the process that would occur to build the wall and noted that everything
would be visible throughout the process.
Commissioner Toth referenced the base of the wall and asked the depth at which that would be
buried.
Mr. St. Martin replied that it would be two to three courses below grade. He provided details on
the type of block that is being considered, noting that it would most likely be eight inches high and
16 inches in length.
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Commissioner Mazzitello asked where the bedrock is on the diagram.
Mr. St. Martin replied that they did not hit bedrock and their deepest coring was 63 feet.
Chair Magnuson commented that having the material prepared earlier rather than receiving it
tonight would have been helpful to allow additional review and research. She stated that she
appreciates the comments, but it would have been helpful to have the information earlier.
Mr. Goodrum acknowledged that this request includes a number of variances and provided further
detail on why each variance is required.
Bob Brewstal, Mendota resident, stated that retaining walls are not containing walls. He stated
that the surface water will filter into the rock and down below. He asked the definition of critical
area.
Chair Magnuson commented that there is a Federal law which gives states and local governments
the ability to regulate the delineated Mississippi Critical Area. She stated that the critical area has
specific requirements that must be adhered to in addition to the other zoning regulations.
Mr. Brewstal stated that the engineer referenced retaining walls, rather than containing walls,
which means that the water will come downhill one way or the other. He stated that he is very
concerned with the water that will drain down to Mendota. He commented that another local
native American group will be providing a letter to Mendota Heights the following day in objection
to the project.
Julie Hunt, 1224 Culligan Lane, stated that they moved to Mendota Heights five years ago and
find the location near the river ideal. She commented that they have been enthusiastically
welcomed to the neighborhood. She recognized the amount of work that the Planning Commission
does in its review of applications and thanked the Commission for their service. She stated that
the 49-page proposal introduced by Loucks in July was technical, as were they answers they
provided tonight related to why the Commission should approve the variances. She commented
that this is within the critical area and expressed concern at the number of variances that would be
required in order to support this project. She stated that the initial July proposal was missing key
components related to the City’s critical area plan. She stated that the neighbors also expressed
concern. She thanked the applicant for addressing some of the concerns that arose and additional
details that were requested earlier. She stated that she is concerned with what could occur from
extensive digging in this area and the impact that could occur to neighboring properties. She
displayed a map stated that this area considered for the project is considered a bowl, which is a
sensitive area. She commented that her home is on the top of the bowl, at the rim, and stated that
the development is proposed to be constructed within the bowl. She explained that she has been
told that when you disturb the land within the bowl it can impact the stability of the properties
along the rim. She stated that has not yet been mentioned in the proposal and that is why the
neighboring property owners came together to have their own report completed. She asked that if
the Planning Commission recommend approval, it include a warranty from the developer that this
development would not impact the neighboring properties in Mendota Heights and Mendota. She
stated that earth movement is not covered by property insurance and therefore any catastrophic
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event would have a large impact. She stated that the report seemed to mention that the DNR is
approving this but found it odd that the DNR is funding and supporting documents that shove that
this area should not be developed. She stated that she finds the new DNR report concerning and
asked why the City is not in compliance with the new rules. She disagrees with the Loucks answer
and believes that the consultant should have an ethical requirement to share that knowledge of the
DNR regulations.
Kelton Barr, Hydrogeologist, stated that he was retained by several neighbors to review the
hydrogeology and context of this project. He stated that the report he sent was preliminary as it
was based on public information as he did not yet have the shallow Braun boring details. He
provided details on the materials that makeup this area, the different layers, and underground
springs. He believed deeper borings should be completed to determine where permeable layers
occur. He commented that there will be flat surfaces constructed to construct the homes and
therefore the area will become trellised and backfilled with sandy material which could result in
more infiltration that existing conditions. He commented that drain tile requires maintenance or it
will become ineffective. He stated that this particular bowl has a lot of the markings of areas that
have experienced failures in the past and wanted to make sure the City is aware of that.
Commissioner Field asked if the biggest impediment to rendering an opinion would be the lack of
deeper borings.
Mr. Barr confirmed that to be true. He stated that he would like to see borings that reach bedrock
to see the lower portion of the drift.
Mendota Mayor Brian Meilke thanked everyone for the careful consideration they have put into
the project. He provided a photograph of winter conditions of the bluff area for the adjacent
residents in Mendota, explaining that it is very steep. He stated that water can come from a hose
into the bluff to water lawns. He stated that in July he requested a copy of the DNR report and did
not receive it. He commented that he followed up in July and August without response from staff.
He stated that on September 30th he received the “DNR approval” which is a one sentence
statement that says the DNR reviewed the plans and appears to be consistent with the City’s current
ordinance. He noted that there is no specification on any potential impacts or concerns. He stated
that he spoke to a member of the DNR on September 30th and explained the City of Mendota’s
concern and the potential impact to neighboring property owners. He stated that the DNR stated
that when they received the application, they were short staffed and is why the one sentence reply
was given. He noted that he was told a more in-depth review would occur. He reviewed the most
recent correspondence from the DNR and their position on the original comments of the DNR,
which was not meant to act as a statement of support. He read the language related regulations
from the DNR which would prevent this development plan. He stated that under the new rules
this proposed development would look much different. He stated that the City is now aware that
this is an unbuildable site and is still considering the request. He stated that the two cities have
experiences with bluff failure within the critical area. He stated that it is prudent and essential to
public safety that the City consider the new standards rather than its outdated standards.
Commissioner Petschel asked if CR 13 has been shut down at all in the past ten years because of
landslides.
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Mayor Melke replied that the road has not been shut down for that purpose within the past ten
years. He stated that the springs in the winter conditions cause very slippery ice patches.
Commissioner Petschel referenced that the fatal landslide incident occurred in Lilydale.
Chair Magnuson reviewed Minnesota State Rule related to changing of DNR regulations and that
cities must continue to follow its ordinances as in place until the update occurs.
Mayor Melke stated that the Commission now has the knowledge that this area is considered
unbuildable and should use that knowledge in making its decision.
Commissioner Field asked if the Mendota ordinances have been updated.
Mayor Melke was unsure.
Commissioner Mazzitello stated that he was on the Mendota Heights staff for eight years and is
very familiar with the critical area regulations and explained that the DNR has review authority
and it is up to the cities as to whether to approve critical area permits.
Steve Golias, Mendota resident and Deputy Mayor, stated that at the last meeting he was told that
the pond would be City owned but at this meeting there appears to be ambiguity. He stated that
he would want clarification on the ownership and maintenance. He also expressed concern that
the water would connect to the MnDOT system across Victoria Curve. He stated that MnDOT has
done nothing with that holding pond since about 1993. He stated that they are relying on a system
which utilizes another entity’s system that is not maintained. He stated that every single one of
the property owners adjacent to this project are on well water. He stated that those residents are
concerned with what could happen to the hydrology of the area as disturbances are made to the
slopes. He stated that he completed more research on Dodd Road and provided a brief summary.
Dave Olson, Culligan Lane resident, commented that when a home was constructed uphill of him
and there was a large rain event, they ended up with a gulley. He stated that there was a landslide
on CR 13 that closed the roadway for a period of time due to tree removal. He stated that this is a
steep and critical area and asked the City to use caution.
Alan Olstein, 1954 Glenhill Road, spoke against the proposal and requested variances. He
referenced the instability of the area and noted the risk that the taxpayers and City would be
assuming in allowing the project to go forward. He urged the Commission to deny the variances.
Kay Jewel, 1948 Glenhill Road, stated that tonight they listened to opinions from dueling experts
along with input from residents related to existing problems and changing regulations. She stated
that when there is this level of disagreement on the topic it makes it clear that there are big issues
that have to be considered. She stated that it is known that there are problems with water in
Mendota and known landslides, therefore she would feel that this project would have significant
risk and did not want to see the taxpayers of Mendota Heights supporting this request. She stated
that the Culligans are wonderful neighbors and have developed areas in a responsible way. She
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asked if there would be a solution that would allow the Culligans to sell the property and allow the
area to remain undisturbed.
Ms. Culligan stated that they heard the concerns from Mendota at the last meeting and again
tonight, noting that they do not take this lightly and have brought in experts that can recommend
a method to develop this in a responsible manner. She stated that this would reduce the water
flow. She commented that they cannot anticipate changing regulations and have worked within
the City ordinance. She stated that they have tried to address concerns and provide a significant
amount of information. She stated that her family has lived on the property for over 100 years, in
this bowl, and provided information from other developments that have been built on the bluff
and/or within the critical area. She stated that she is speaking of her specific property and not bluff
areas in general. She stated that the conservation easement would be preserved to protect the slope.
She stated that they appreciated the input of Mr. Barr, but Braun has assumed there was underlying
water the whole time as they want to be on the conservative side to ensure that their development
would hold up. She stated that they have attempted to address the previous comments and build
them into their design.
Seeing no one further coming forward wishing to speak, Chair Magnuson asked for a motion to
close the public hearing.
COMMISSIONER MAZZITELLO MOVED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TOTH, TO
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
COMMISSIONER CORBETT MOVED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MAZZITELLO,
TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF VALLEY VIEW OAK 3RD
ADDITION, ALONG WITH A CRITICAL AREA PERMIT, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
AND VARIANCES FOR THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED NW QUADRANT OF
VICTORIA CURVE AND GLENHILL ROAD BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF
FACT INCLUDING IN THE MEMORANDUM FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY DATED
SEPTEMBER 8, 2020 THAT CONFIRM THE APPLICANT FAILED TO MEET THE BURDEN
OF PROOF OR STANDARDS REQUIRED IN GRANTING OF THE VARIANCES AND
OTHER APPLICATIONS REQUESTED HEREIN.
FURTHER DISCUSSION: COMMISSIONER PETSCHEL REFERENCED THE FRONT
YARD SETBACKS AND NOTED THAT OTHER PLACES CAN MEET THE
REQUIREMENT AND THERE IS NO PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. HE NOTED THAT THE
STREET VARIANCE IS THE SAME AND DOES NOT MEET PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.
HE STATED THAT IF A PROVISION FOR REVIEW BY CITY PERSONNEL IS GOING TO
BE ALLOWED FOR CONDITIONAL USE, THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0
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Chair Magnuson advised the City Council would consider this application at its October 20, 2020
meeting.
Adjournment
COMMISSIONER MAZZITELLO MOVED, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER FIELD, TO
ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:16 P.M.
AYES: 7
NAYS: 0