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2008-09-10 Airport Relations Commission Minutes2008-09-10 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:22 PM] CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA AIRPORT RELATIONS COMMISSION MINUTES September 10, 2008 The regular meeting of the Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission was held on Wednesday, September 10, 2008, at 7:00 p.m., in the Large Conference Room at City Hall, 1101 Victoria Curve, Mendota Heights, Minnesota. The following Commissioners were present: Liz Petschel, Chair; Robin Ehrlich, Vice Chair; Bill Dunn, Sally Lorberbaum, Lyle Odland, Commissioners. Also present were: Mike Kosel and Guy Heide, residents; Ultan Duggan, Councilmember; Jim Danielson, City Administrator; Jake Sedlacek, Assistant to the City Administrator; and Mary Heintz, Recorder. Not Present: Ken Reed and Dave Sloan, Commissioners. Approval of Minutes A motion was made by Commissioner Odland, seconded by Commissioner Lorberbaum, to approve the minutes of the July 9, 2008, ARC meeting as submitted. The minutes were approved with abstention of Commissioner Dunn, who had been absent. Commissioner Odland requested a correction to the minutes of August 13, 2008, replacing percentages with number of aircraft on page two, item 5, lines two and three. Commissioner Dunn made a motion, seconded by Vice Chair Ehrlich, to approve the minutes of the August 13, 2008, ARC meeting as amended. The minutes were approved with abstention by Commissioners Odland and Lorberbaum, who had been absent. Unfinished and New Business A. Comments by Guy Heide and Mike Kosel Mr. Heide provided background information regarding his and Mr. Kosel’s grievance with MAC regarding a noise exposure map. He also questioned why $14,000 would have been spent by the opposition for attorney fees, Freedom of Information Act requests, and Minnesota Government Data requests and said he believes all the Part 150 program maps are phony because night operations (10 p.m. and 7 a.m. has 10 DNL added) have been understated. He cited various maps including one in 1989 where 18,000 people were noted to be on non-compatible land, and said he believes the actual count was 41,000, which would have cost MAC $400 million to insulate, a reduction of $250 million. Mr. Heide said he believes people and homes have been damaged, property rights have been lost (citing also the 14th Amendment), and the passenger facility charge program was written with over $1 billion in errors. Commission Meeting – September 10, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 2 He said it may be possible to recover damages under Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO), the next step will be to make a PowerPoint presentation to potential lawyers, and that he and Mr. Kosel were attending this evening’s ARC meeting because City of Mendota Heights doesn’t appear to be interested in their grievance, noting also that no maps had been published with regard to Visitation School and there is no transcript of a public hearing. Chair Petschel stated that the two parallel runways are the preferred choice under the 2008-09-10 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:22 PM] Runway Use System (RUS) and the school is located in the 65 DNL. Mr. Kosel said their point is that a lot of things were not recorded during development. Chair Petschel reported the disparity of usage for departures between 12L and 12R since 17 was opened and ARC has worked hard through NOC and with the FAA, having the head of the Tower meet with ARC and then ARC going to the Tower, and now runway use is equal, with 12L use reduced from 46% to 18%. She said it has been one of the Commission’s main goals and objectives. Further opinions were noted by Mssrs. Heide and Kosel and then Mr. Heide invited any interested Commissioners to his home in the future to review additional details with him and Mr. Kosel regarding their grievance. Councilmember Duggan said he would be happy to review the presentation and report back to the ARC and Council. He then inquired about a previous lawsuit made by them regarding contour maps and validity against MAC or FAA 5-6 years ago. Mr. Heide reported that the Court found the petitioners had no standing, so there were no findings of fact and no decision was made in that lawsuit and also cited a second case alleging improprieties regarding 04/22, which the court ruled was an order and had no jurisdiction, and a third regarding the 2002 and 2007 maps. He said that his group has decided that skilled attorneys are needed to take this next case regarding possible FAA coercion and that could involve $250 million tripled, which attorneys may be willing to pursue. Mssrs. Heide and Kosel excused themselves from the meeting, and further Commission discussion ensued. B. Comments by Vice Chair Ehrlich Vice Chair Ehrlich reiterated concern from the last meeting about props not being measured. Chair Petschel said they are not included because they have HAVE to be out of the corridor at times and it wouldn’t be fair to count them and the only things being measured in excursions are commercial jets. Vice Chair Ehrlich said he would drop future concern if ARC felt the process was appropriate, and the Commissioners agreed. Commission Meeting – September 10, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 3 C. Discussion of Ken Reed’s Resignation. Discussion ensued regarding Commissioner Reed’s resignation from the ARC (due to his acceptance of a position with MAC) and Joe Hennessy’s interest in serving the Community. A motion was made by Commissioner Lorberbaum, seconded by Commissioner Dunn, to urge Council to review its list of candidates for the ARC vacancy and fill as soon as possible. It was approved unanimously. The City Administrator will contact Mr. Hennessy to see whether he still has interest in serving on the ARC. D. Discussion of MAC Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) The CIP was reviewed, with notables being anticipated lower usage of 12L and 30R next summer and luggage scanning at the Humphrey Terminal. E. Updates for Introduction Book 2008-09-10 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:22 PM] None. Acknowledge Receipt of Various Reports/Correspondence It was noted that there is equity of night-time operations between 12L and 12R and 17 is being utilized more during the day. Flight VDA2288 was identified as a repeating aircraft for noise events. Chair Petschel will email Chad Leqve to find out what that flight is. The Noise Modeling article, page 98 of the Airport Noise Report, was referenced, which stated that Aviation Environmental Design Tool (AEDT) will integrate combined noise and air quality modeling at flight, airport, and regional and global levels. Chair Petschel said it would be interesting to have Mr. Leqve attend a future meeting to discuss the subject and whether a switch will be made here and, if so, what that would entail. Chair Petschel shared that a thank you note had been sent to Carl Rydeen and Chad Leqve for their attendance the last ARC meeting. The City Administrator will seek to arrange the attendance of the following at upcoming ARC meetings: Mr. Feeley from Goodrich Aerospace about new aircraft technology on October 15 and Representative Rick Hansen on November 12. Commission Meeting – September 10, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 4 Commissioner Odland reported on an aircraft which recently appeared at the Oshkosh aircraft event (experimental aviation aircrafts) that has been modified with a fuselage three times that of a 747’s for the purpose of ferrying the components of Boeing’s new Dreamliner. Interest was expressed by the Commission to attend next year’s event as a group. A. July 2008 ANOM Technical Advisor’s Report B. July 2008 ANOM Eagan/Mendota Heights Departure Corridor Analysis C. Airport Noise Report, August 8, 2008 D. Airport Noise Report, August 15, 2008 E. Airport Noise Report, August 22, 2008 F. Airport Noise Report, August 29, 2008 Other Commission Comments or Concerns None. Upcoming Meetings • MAC Meeting – September 15, 2008 – 1:00 p.m. • City Council Meeting – September 16, 2008 – 7:00 p.m. • NOC Meeting – September 17, 2008 – 1:30 p.m. • Planning Commission – September 23, 2008 – 7:00 p.m. Public Comments None. Adjourn A motion was made by Commissioner Lorberbaum, seconded by Commissioner Dunn, to adjourn the meeting at 8:28 p.m. It was approved unanimously. Respectfully submitted, 2008-09-10 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:22 PM] Mary Heintz TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.