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2008-06-11 Airport Relations Commission Minutes2008-06-11 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:23 PM] CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA AIRPORT RELATIONS COMMISSION MINUTES June 11, 2008 The regular meeting of the Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission was held on Wednesday, June 11, 2008, at 7:00 p.m., in the Large Conference Room at City Hall, 1101 Victoria Curve, Mendota Heights, Minnesota. The following Commissioners were present: Liz Petschel, Chair; Robin Ehrlich, Vice Chair; Bill Dunn, Sally Lorberbaum, Lyle Odland, Ken Reed, and Dave Sloan, Commissioners. Also present were: Sandra Krebsbach, Council Member; Jim Danielson, City Administrator; Jake Sedlacek, Assistant to the City Administrator; and Mary Heintz, Recorder. Not Present: None. Chair Petschel requested the following agenda revisions: Vice Chair Ehrlich’s out-of-corridor correspondence be added as Item D and Updates for the Introduction Book be changed to Item E. Approval of Minutes Commissioner Lorberbaum requested that the minutes of April 9, 2008, be corrected to cite October 15 as the revised meeting date for the Commission, changed from October 8 to due conflict with Yom Kippur. A motion was made by Commissioner Sloan, seconded by Commissioner Dunn, to approve the minutes of the April 9, 2008, ARC meeting as amended and May 19, 2008, meeting as submitted. The minutes were approved. Unfinished and New Business A. Review Tower Tour Issues Commissioner Odland stated that he regretted having missed the May 19, 2008, Tower tour but he had been impressed with the preliminary information that was submitted to the Tower in advance and asked whether those issues had been addressed. Chair Petschel reported that each had received a respectful, frank discussion. Commission Meeting – June 11, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 2 Vice Chair Ehrlich commented that he had felt frustrated by the discussion at the Tower tour because some questions (in particular, the unfair use between 12L and 12R) had not been responded to adequately, and Commissioners Reed and Dunn agreed, with Commissioner Reed commenting that the Tower’s quoted reasons did not make sense. Chair Petschel said she looks for changes when reviewing the runway analysis, which is useful in analyzing trends, and acknowledged appreciation for the Noise Oversight Committee (NOC) as a venue to get things done. Commissioner Odland said monitoring needs to be continued, and Vice Chair Ehrlich agreed and suggested that the item remain on the agenda to keep things in line. Council Member Krebsbach commented that it is good and necessary that the Tower meet with the Commission and she supports this very effective ARC. 2008-06-11 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:23 PM] B. Review May 21, 2008, NOC Meeting Chair Petschel said one of the topics discussed at the last NOC meeting was an update on the noise insulation that is occurring at the 63-64 DNL involving approximately 400 homes in Bloomington, Eagan, Richfield, and Minneapolis. A formal choice of providers has been determined: Mechanicals by CenterPoint and Xcel; windows by Marvin, Pella, and Larson; and a company to do the actual insulation in the homes. Strategies will be required to complete the work for homes utilizing boilers and radiator heat, a showroom at 494 and 66th Street has been established for affected residents, and block meetings have begun. Chair Petschel added that glitches have been experienced when homes are in the process of foreclosure and there is difficulty finding the appropriate point persons. A second major discussion point at the meeting concerned the RNAV, which received a motion of support from Eagan and was seconded by Mendota Heights. Chair Petschel stated that Kathleen Nelson of Norwest said her primary concern was that it not affect efficiency and she had to be reassured that it would only be used at night during nonpeak times (10:30 p.m. to 6:00 a.m.). She said an interesting point of the meeting came when Diane Miller of Northwest reported that she and MAC have been receiving complaints from Northwest pilots who live in Eagan and are actually complaining about fanning off runway 17. Mr. Sedlacek reported that Richfield representative Bill Killean cited his continued complaint at the NOC meeting about low frequency noise over Richfield, which many felt was neither the time nor place to do so. C. Review 2008 Plan of Action Updates to the ARC 2008 Plan of Action were recorded by Mr. Sedlacek, who will revise the document as directed by ARC and bring back to the Commission for approval. Commission Meeting – June 11, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 3 The following action items were requested by ARC: 1) MAC representative Foley be added to the distribution list for each ARC meeting packet, 2) invite Rick Hanson and Senator Jim Metzen to an upcoming ARC meeting (talking points being feeling in Legislature about the Northwest-Delta merger and Northwest paying back the money it owes, whether there is satisfaction with the concessions received from MAC, whether further legislative oversight will be necessary, and whether there has been any discussion regarding further development of reliever airports in the north and south metro as part of a major plan); and 3) ARC write up accomplishments over the last six months, a reaction statement, and make that items as part of ARC’s annual review. D. Vice Chair Ehrlich’s Observation Vice Chair Ehrlich reported there had been an inordinate number of flights in late evening and early morning hours that he and his wife recently experienced and cited, in particular, a low-flying noncommercial prop out of the north excursion on May 28. This is his email correspondence with MAC concerning that flight: “Does this mean the airplane I saw was a noncommercial prop and, therefore, does not get tracked in your reports?” Response: “This is correct. The corridor applies to carrier jet aircraft only. Specifically, the FAA would designate a carrier jet as a jet that can hold 60-plus passengers. Commercial or noncommercial could be either prop or carrier jet. The classification between carrier jet or propeller aircraft depends exclusively on aircraft type. Both aircraft types are tracked by our interactive reports or via the monthly reports. The Corridor Report does not relate to propeller aircraft; therefore, those numbers and flight tracks are excluded from that specific report.” 2008-06-11 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:23 PM] Vice Chair Ehrlich’s second question: “Do noncommercial props need to follow the same corridor rules as commercial airplanes?” Response: “Propeller-driven aircraft can be directed by Air Traffic Control (ATC) however they see fit. Typically because of the inherent slower speeds of propeller aircraft, ATC will turn them left or right of primary headings so that the proceeding departures of jet aircraft do not have to wait for an airspace gap to develop.” Chair Petschel said she would be interested in knowing how many general aviation aircraft are flying like this. Council Member Krebsbach noted that the Anoka reliever airport is the same size as Mendota Height’s footprint. Vice Chair Ehrlich said the basic issue is that noncommercial airplanes don’t have to follow the rules. Chair Petschel suggested forwarding Vice Chair Ehrlich’s email printout to Chad Leqve for his response. Commission Meeting – June 11, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 4 A motion was made by Commissioner Lorberbaum to forward the documents that Vice Chair Ehrlich brought forward at the meeting to Chad Leqve for his comment and explanation, with an additional request asking what the destination was for that particular May 28, 2008, flight and the clearance it had received. Discussion ensued. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Odland and passed unanimously. Chair Petschel requested that Mr. Danielson forward Mr. Leqve’s response to the Commissioners. Council Member Krebsbach excused herself from the meeting. E. Updates for Introduction Book None. Acknowledge Receipt of Various Reports/Correspondence Commissioner Reed said it would be helpful if the departure report would specify Mendota Heights for 12L and Eagan for 12R, rather than combining the two cities for each runway. Commissioner Lorberbaum made a request that the number of complaints be identified by city name for an 18-month timeframe, which would more easily display trends in complaints from particular areas. A. April 2008 ANOM Technical Advisor’s Report B. April 2008 (New Format) ANOM Eagan/Mendota Heights Departure Corridor Analysis C. Letter from NOC D. Airport Noise Report, May 23, 2008 E. Airport Noise Report, May 30, 2008 Other Commission Comments or Concerns None. 2008-06-11 Airport Relations Commission Minutes.txt[1/25/2018 4:04:23 PM] Upcoming Meetings • MAC Meeting – June 16, 2008 – 1:00 p.m. • City Council Meeting – June 27, 2008 – 7:30 p.m. Public Comments None. Commission Meeting – June 11, 2008 Mendota Heights Airport Relations Commission 5 Adjourn Commissioner Sloan made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Reed, to adjourn the meeting at 9:08 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Mary Heintz TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.