1991-07-23 Planning Comm Minutes)
CITY OF MENDOTA HEIGHTS
DAKOTA COUNTY, MINNESOTA
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
JULY 23, 1991
The regular meeting of the Mendota Heights Planning Commission was
held on Tuesday, July 23, 1991, in the City Hall Council Chambers,
1101 Victoria Curve. Chair Mike Dwyer called the meeting to order
at 7:35 o'clock p.m. The following Commission members were
present: Friel, Dwyer, Duggan, Tilsen. Commissioner Koll arrived
late at 8:10 p.m. Excused members were: Krebsbach, Dreelan. Also
present were City Engineer Klayton Eckles, Planning Consultant Tim
Malloy, and Administrative Assistant Kevin Batchelder.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Duggan moved approval of the June 25, 1991
minutes with corrections. Commissioner Friel seconded
the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
CASE NO. 91-24:
RUBLE WETLANDS PERMIT
Mr. Kim BeauClair, representing the Rubles of 629
Hampshire Drive, was present to discuss the requested
Wetlands Permit to allow construction of a deck and porch
in the back yard. Mr. BeauClair explained that the exact
distance to the pond was 77 feet.
Commissioner Friel moved to waive the requirement for a
public hearing. Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
• AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Commissioner Duggan moved to recommend that City Council
grant the requested Wetlands Permit to allow construction
of the proposed deck and porch to within 77 feet of high
water line of the pond.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
CASE NO. 91-25:
STEHR - VARIANCE
Mr. and Mrs. Stehr, of 6 Dorset Road, were present to
discuss their request for a side yard setback variance of
4.2 feet. Mr. Stehr stated that he desires to add a
second garage stall adjacent to their existing one car
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CASE NO.
FLYNN -
garage and that this requires an 8.6 foot expansion.
Commissioner Duggan inquired if 8.6 feet of additional
garage was sufficient space for a second car. Mr. Stehr
replied that it was. Mr. Stehr stated that the area of
the proposed expansion has an existing concrete pad where
their second car is currently parked. Mr. Stehr stated
that his neighbors had signed signatures of consent.
Chair Dwyer moved that the Planning Commission recommend
to City Council that a side yard variance of 4.2 feet be
granted to allow the garage addition as proposed.
Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
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91-26:
WETLANDS PERMIT
Mr. Flynn, of 1299 Laura Street, was present to discuss
his plans to install a post and beam porch to the rear of
his home. Mr. Flynn stated this porch is proposed to be
14' by 14' and will come within 94 feet of Ivy Creek,
which flows along his rear property line. Mr. Flynn
stated he had the signatures of consent from his
neighbors.
Commissioner Friel moved to waive the requirement for a
public hearing. Commissioner Duggan seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
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Commissioner Duggan moved to recommend that City Council
grant the requested Wetlands Permit to allow the proposed
porch to be built within 94 feet of Ivy Creek as
proposed. Commissioner Tilsen seconded the motion.
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CASE NO. 91-28:
JA HOMES - LOT DIVISION
Mr. John Mathern, of JA Homes, appeared to discuss his
proposal to alter the Victoria Townhomes PUD by changing
the last building from a three unit townhome to a two
unit townhome. Mr. Mathern stated that the same building
pad would be utilized and that the two unit design would
have larger townhomes. He stated that the Townhome
Association had signed a letter of consent.
Commissioner Duggan commented that it appeared that the
previous conversion of a three unit townhome to a two
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unit townhome had worked well. Duggan stated he was
happy to see this reduction in units, that in this case
less is more. Commissioner Tilsen commented that it was
nice to see this project nearing completion.
Commissioner Duggan moved to waive the requirement for a
public hearing under Section 11.3(1) of the Subdivision
Ordinance and to recommend that City Council grant the
requested lot division of a three unit townhome to a two
unit townhome as proposed. Chair Dwyer seconded the
motion.
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CASE NO. 91-29:
CATHOLIC CEMETERIES -
SIGN VARIANCES
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CASE NO.
KAYOUM -
Mr. Dave Kemp, Operations Manager for Catholic
Cemeteries, appeared to present the request for sign
variances to allow a new sign system at Resurrection
Cemeteries. Mr. Kemp stated that they are requesting
size variances for nameplate signs at each entrance of
the cemetery and two informational signs inside the
entrances.
Chair Mike Dwyer stated that the correspondence indicated
that the signs are temporary in nature and only intended
for five years and inquired if the appearance of the
signs would deteriorate due to their temporary use. Mr.
Kemp responded that the new signs are part of a new
policy to enhance the appearance of the cemetery and its
entrances. Mr. Kemp stated that it is in the cemetery's
interest to keep the sign's appearance as high in quality
as possible.
Commissioner Duggan stated that the Commission should
consider a five year limit to the variance.
Commissioner Duggan moved to recommend that the City
Council grant a variance to allow a total of 113 square
feet for the four proposed signs subject to a five year
time limit with City Council review after 3 1/2 years.
Commissioner Friel seconded the motion.
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91-27:
FRONT YARD VARIANCE
Mr. A. Kayoum, of 706 First Avenue, appeared before the
Planning Commission to request a front yard variance of
four feet and three inches in order to construct a garage
addition to his house. Chair Dwyer stated that Mr.
Kayoum's request also included two housekeeping variances
on each side yard setback at staff's suggestion.
Mr. Kayoum explained that his garage was replaced by a
kitchen expansion and that he had been represented by a
builder, Mr. John Schwab, who had instructed him that no
variances would be needed to complete his home
improvements in which the garage addition would be built
after the kitchen expansion. Mr. Kayoum stated this
advice had left him with an unfinished kitchen and the
need to replace his garage. Mr. Kayoum stated that he
had submitted the required signatures of consent except
for the Strebigs, his neighbors who had been out of town.
Mr. Kayoum submitted the signatures of consent from the
Strebigs for the public record.
Commissioner Duggan stated that he had visited the
neighborhood and found the request to have no adverse
impact on the neighborhood and to be of a scale and scope
that would fit into the neighborhood. Duggan stated that
the neighbors gave their support to the project.
Commissioner Duggan moved to recommend that the City
Council grant the requested front yard variance of four
feet, three inches and a variance of one foot (1') to the
east side yard setback and a variance of two feet (2') to
the west side yard setback to bring the house into
conformance. Commissioner Dwyer seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
CENTEX HOMES
KENSINGTON PUD - PHASE II
Chair Dwyer stated that Commissioner Friel would not
participate in this public hearing as he is
professionally employed by a law firm that represents
Centex Homes. Commissioner Friel left at 8:00 o'clock
p.m.
Chair Dwyer stated that there was a lack of a quorum with
Mr. Friel's absence. Chair Dwyer read the Planning
Commission by-laws into the record and asked
Administrative Assistant Batchelder if any Commissioners
had stated they would be late. Batchelder stated that
Commissioners Krebsbach and Dreelan had phoned in to be
excused. Chair Dwyer instructed staff to phone the
absent Commissioners and called a five minute recess.
At 8:10 o'clock p.m. Commissioner Koll arrived and
announced that she had experienced car trouble. Chair
Dwyer opened the public hearing at 8:10 o'clock p.m.
Chair Dwyer asked Administrative Assistant Batchelder to
provide a background summary for the audience of the
Kensington PUD since it was denied a rezoning by City
Council in August 1990. Batchelder stated that the
Planning Commission was reviewing the negotiated
settlement plan for Centex's proposed Kensington Planned
Unit Development - Phase II. Batchelder provided a
background history of the case by describing the failed
attempt for a rezoning, the alternative plan in November
1990, the lawsuit served on the City, the City's scoping
document to amend the Southeast Area Comprehensive Plan,
the settlement negotiations with the developer during
April, May and June and City Council's acceptance of a
conceptual settlement plan at the July 2, 1991 meeting.
Batchelder stated the City Council had accepted the
concept plan only after the developer had met all the
criteria that Council had established for an acceptable
plan. Batchelder stated that City Council had ordered
public hearings for the consideration of the more formal,
technical plans required for rezoning and that an open
house had been conducted by staff the previous week to
inform interested residents of the settlement plan.
Chair Dwyer inquired about the Developers Agreement, if
the Commission was reviewing it that evening as stated in
the Planner's Report. Batchelder stated that the
developer's agreement usually is processed after a
development has received planning approvals and includes
any conditions City Council may have placed on the
project and the details for engineering. Batchelder
stated that staff had not yet received a proposed
developer's agreement. John Bannigan, Attorney for
Centex Homes, stated that a draft developer's agreement
had been sent to Attorney Jim Golembeck, representing the
City of Mendota Heights, but not yet to the City. Chair
Dwyer stated that the developer's agreement was not part
of the Planning Commission's review and also stated that
the final plat was usually not reviewed by the Planning
Commission either.
John Bannigan stated that Centex is before the Planning
Commission this evening because the developer and the
City Council had negotiated a settlement to the lawsuit.
Bannigan stated that the original July 8, 1991 court date
had been laid over indefinitely pending the outcome of
the settlement discussions. He stated the developers
were soliciting the Planning Commission's recommendations
tonight and were present to discuss the details of the
design. Bannigan encouraged the Planning Commission to
go through the staff reports, hear the public's comments
and make suggestions that the developer and staff can
address and prepare for the August 6th City Council
hearing.
Chair Dwyer stated that an open house had been held by
the City staff on July 18th for residents to view the
plans and then he explained the public hearing process
for the audience. Chair Dwyer stated that this would be
the public's opportunity to ask questions and make
comments for the public record which City Council would
review prior to their public hearing. Dwyer stated that
the City Council had approved the settlement plan in
concept and that it was the Planning Commission's job to
fine tune the details with the public's assistance. He
again stated that this was the audience's chance to let
the City and Centex know your ideas and feelings about
the project. Chair Dwyer stated that the planning
reports would be used as a guide and the first order of
business was to allow each Commissioner to address their
concerns and question the developer.
Commissioner Duggan stated that he was hoping for a more
detailed presentation by Centex, but that he was prepared
to proceed. Duggan stated that this area had been a
concern of his for four and one half years and that the
numbers in the project are finally down to a level that
he is comfortable with. Duggan stated he had a number of
concerns regarding the Council's compromise plan and was
concerned that some of the compromises could lead to
future problems.
Commissioner Duggan stated he had concerns with the size
of Lot 22, Block 3 and the narrow necks of Lots 32 and
30, Block 3. Duggan stated that Lot 1, Block 4 could be
combined with Lot 2, that he felt this lot to be too
small to be on the entrance to Mendota Heights Road.
Commissioner Tilsen stated that there is room for
adjustments, for instance Lots 1 and 7 could be made
equal by moving all the lot lines slightly that lie
between them.
Commissioner Duggan stated that Lot 17, Block 4 was small
and against the power line and should be massaged upwards
towards Lot 13. Duggan pointed out that the Parks
Commission had questioned the size and location of the
proposed park dedication. Duggan stated that Lot 3 and
Lot 6 in Block 1 could be equalized in size. Duggan
stated one of his main concerns is that 31 of the 98
single family lots needed Wetlands Permits. He
questioned if the square footage of the pond lots
included water, that one of the Council's criteria was
that the developer could not include water in the land
mass for the pond lots.
Dan Blake, of Centex, answered that the maps that the
Commission had included total lot square footage
including water, but that the pond lots meet Council's
criteria for dry, buildable land. Blake stated that in
working with the City Council during the negotiations,
only the land was counted towards the pond lots.
Commissioner Duggan asked Planner Malloy for a lot by lot
accounting of square footage for land on the pond lots.
Planner Malloy stated that he had measured all the pond
lots and their dry, buildable land mass and categorized
them according to the Council's criteria. He stated them
as follows:
LOT Square footage - Dry, buildable
8 35,200
9 20,460
10 20,305
11 17,360
12 19,220
13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 24 all over 15,000
25 17,000+
26 13,900
27 15,000+
30 16,275
31 13,500
32 14,700
35 15,000+
36 15,950
37 13,200
38 14,900
39 16,500
40 17,900
41 21,700
Planner Malloy stated that the lots that have less than
15,000 sq. ft. of dry, buildable land mass have been
included in the counts toward meeting the established
criteria for lot sizes.
Commissioner Duggan stated that a concern to him is what
will happen to the trees around the pond with the
construction of the pond lots. Duggan inquired what
safeguards will be taken and what value are the trees on
the pond lots? Duggan stated that members of the
Planning Commission should be involved in a review
committee that monitors the construction occurring on
these pond lots. Duggan stated that too often he has
heard promises of saving the trees by developers only to
discover that they have been cut. Duggan stated that it
is possible to build around trees and save them. Duggan
stated that instead of relying on promises, the City
should take an active role in determining what is
happening during construction. Duggan stated he is
searching for an extra measure by the City for leverage.
Commissioner Tilsen stated that he had relayed many of
his concerns, which were predominantly of an engineering
or technical nature, to Mr. James Danielson, Public Works
Director, and that most have been addressed in the staff
report. Tilsen indicated that engineering has reported
that they can handle these concerns during acceptance of
final grading and utility plans. Commissioner Tilsen
stated that the grading plan submitted only address spot
elevations and not contours. Tilsen stated that many of
the grade elevations shown for housing pads would need
correction.
Tilsen stated that he suggests a maximum grade for the
first 20' of driveways to be 3% as a standard. Tilsen
stated that Lot 9, Block 5 rose 6% in 40 feet and that
this is too extreme for a driveway approach to the
garage. Tilsen stated that the intersection of Abbey and
Haverton has a 5% grade at the approaches. Tilsen stated
that Haverton Circle, at a 6% grade, was too steep for a
cul-de-sac. Tilsen suggested a maximum 3% grade and
inquired what the City's grade standards are.
Klayton Eckles, City Engineer, stated a 10% grade for
streets is the maximum City standard, but that this is
allowed only in extreme cases. Eckies stated that the
City imposes a 6% grade limit in most cases. Eckies
stated that at stop intersections they allow a 2% grade
at the approach. Commissioner Tilsen suggested a
standard for this project be a 3% maximum grade for
driveway approaches, cul-de-sacs, and intersections.
Commissioner Tilsen stated that the grading plan had no
special provisions for Lots 4, 17, 18, and 22 of Block 1
where trees and grades could be protected with better
designs, for instance front walk outs. Tilsen stated
that Lot 8, Block 3 has two wetland permits proposed, one
for the front and one in the rear. Tilsen stated this is
acceptable, but could be disastrous as the drive impacts
the south pond. Tilsen stated that there may be no trees
left after the house and that design and construction
must take care to preserve Wetlands. Tilsen stated he is
concerned with blanket approvals of Wetlands Permits,
that this allows no individual reviews for houses to
preserve trees and ponds.
Chair Dwyer inquired of Commissioner Tilsen what he would
desire to recommend to City Council. Tilsen responded
that a true tree survey on the land for species, type and
quality could be conducted. Tilsen stated he realizes
this is a large expense prior to approval. Tilsen stated
that a tree survey would allow the City to individually
review each lot for the Wetlands Permits. Commissioner
Duggan agreed with Tilsen's concern and suggestion.
Tilsen stated a four inch caliper as a standard for trees
to be included in a tree survey.
Commissioner Tilsen inquired about Outlot B and if it was
a bargaining chip for the developer to throw in later.
Mr. Tom Boyce, of Centex, stated that in discussions with
Council, they had not indicated they desired this land
for parks. Tilsen inquired if Mr. Boyce was willing to
pay taxes on Outlot B. Mr. Boyce responded, yes. Tilsen
stated that Outlot B made no sense except as open space
and that it would be a maintenance and liability near the
park, someone would have to bear the responsibility.
Commissioner Tilsen stated he agreed with the staff
report that Outlot A should be denoted as a right of way
with provisions for utility easements. Tilsen stated
that any buyers of adjacent lots would then have a clear
indication of the future potential of the outlot.
Commissioner Duggan stated that Lots 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6
could be shaved to make the outlot bigger. Tilsen
suggested that the outlot be moved one lot west. Klayton
Eckles stated that the City originally considered this
location for access to the south, but that the grades
were too steep, that they would be over 10%.
Commissioner Tilsen inquired if the storm sewer
computations indicated the nature of the pond that is
proposed for the northern park area. Klayton Eckles
stated that this pond always had been envisioned as a
holding pond but that it had not been determined if this
was to be a wet pond or a dry pond. Eckles explained to
the audience that a wet pond always held water and that
a dry pond only held water during or immediately after
storm events. Tilsen stated that he also had a concern
about needing more detailed landscaping plans.
Commissioner Koll stated that she wanted to identify five
issues. Koll stated that she was a little disappointed
in the loss of an opportunity to provide affordable
housing, her concept of Mendota Heights was one of
spaciousness and that this proposal was a large
development with multifamily. Koll stated that the issue
was decided. She stated that the first issue was the
size of some of the single family lots particularly Lot
4, Block 1 and Lot 22, Block 3. Koll stated that lots on
Mendota Heights Road should all meet the minimum size.
Koll stated that her second issue was that lots 46
through 49, Block 3 and Lot 17, Block 4 were adjacent to
the power lines. Koll stated that she had a concern for
the homeowners and for future liability of the City.
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Commissioner Koll stated that her third concern was the
same as stated before about the preservation of trees on
the pond lots. Koll stated that she wants to see a
proposal to save the vegetation in this area. Koll
stated that her fourth concern was that there was no
street lighting allowed for in the plan. Mr. Boyce
stated that the City doesn't allow street lighting so it
was not included and that this is consistent with the
rest of the City. Koll stated that the fifth concern was
in regards to the back to back townhomes and their price
levels, were they consistent with others in the area?
Mr. Boyce responded that the carriage homes would be
similar in price structure to the manor homes. The
townhomes are the same as the previous plan of last year.
Mr. Boyce stated that the single family homes would range
from $160,000 to $400,000 and that this would be
consistent with Hampshire. Mr. Boyce stated that some
single family may be less than $160,000.
Chair Dwyer stated that there were some larger picture
issues that he felt, as an attorney, were important to
the City in his discussions with the Mayor and members of
the City Council. He stated that this settlement plan is
much preferred to a long term litigation battle that
could be very costly to the City. Dwyer stated Centex
has proven they are good neighbors and it is in the
City's best interest to proceed with this plan. Dwyer
stated the City Council had unanimously accepted this
plan as a concept. Dwyer stated he felt this was a good
plan compared to earlier plans, the number of units had
been reduced by 170, this provided a better buffer
between neighborhoods where the transition is either
single family homes or park and the quality of homes will
be similar. Dwyer stated this plan has no detached
garages. Dwyer stated he is sorry that the pond will not
be public domain and the trade off for single family
reduced the size of the park dedication, but that this is
what happens in a compromise.
Dwyer stated he would recommend that the Planning
Commission recommend approval to the City Council subject
to the list of concerns generated by the Planning
Commission and the public. Dwyer stated that the fine
tuning of the plan was the Commission's responsibility.
Chair Dwyer opened the hearing for comments from the
public and requested that each speaker approach the
podium and give name and address so all the comments
could be accurately relayed to the City Council.
Mr. Joe Melzarek, of 2545 Concord Way, stated when he had
purchased a manor home he had been assured that only
manor homes, not barracks, would be constructed by
Centex. He stated he first found out about this plan at
the City's Open House last week. Mr. Melzarek stated two
realtors have instructed him that his home's value would
be reduced by 15% with the added traffic and density in
this new plan. Mr. Melzarek stated the developer had
designed this plan without any input from the people most
affected by the plan, those people in the manor homes.
He stated the manor home owners bargained for something
that they are not getting.
Mr. Melzarek stated there were three choices. He stated
the first choice was a lawsuit against the City and the
developer, the second choice was compensation for lost
housing values and the third choice was compromise. Mr.
Melzarek stated this new plan was twice the density he
bargained for and all the density was being shoved up
against the manor homes. He stated the manor home owners
had bargained for an area of manor homes and are now
getting back to back townhomes.
Commissioner Duggan stated the same issues were the
concern of the Hampshire residents last August. He
stated the present concern is that they have bought manor
homes with an indication of what would be in the area
based on a representation by a sales person. Duggan
stated he felt this was a legitimate issue. Mr. Melzarek
stated all the density was shoved down by the manor homes
by the demand for single family lots.
Chair Dwyer inquired if the Phase I was all manor homes.
Mr. Boyce responded that yes it was 136 manor homes, but
Phase II will replat Phase I, so there are now only 80
manor homes proposed with back to back townhomes
(carriage homes) and townhomes replacing the coach homes,
or condominiums that had been originally proposed for the
area immediately east of Phase I. Mr. Melzarek requested
that the Planning Commission not forward this project
until the input of the manor home owners is put into the
development. Mr. Boyce stated this the purpose of the
public hearing and they would be working with staff to
fine tune the plan based on tonight's input.
Chair Dwyer asked the audience if they shared Mr.
Melzarek's concern with the carriage homes and traffic
and density. Fourteen people indicated they agreed.
Mr. Mike Kluznik, 1057 Chippewa Avenue, stated he agreed
that the City Council has an unreasonable attitude in
demanding all the single family lots in this project. He
stated he is concerned with the level of intolerance in
the community to anybody with less than a $300,000 home.
Mr. Kluznik stated he disagreed with the compromise
solution. He stated it was a travesty that the demand
for single family only had shrunk the park dedication and
there would be no public access to the ponds. Kluznik
stated the City Council had whittled away at the park
dedication that had been included in the referendum
approved by all the voters in the community. Mr. Kluznik
stated that a lawsuit had been mentioned earlier and that
lawsuits come in all manners including one over the
referendum promises. He stated there was more than one
issue and potential lawsuit. Mr. Kluznik stated he was
a member of the Citizen's Parks Review Committee that
helped design the referendum and this park had been
intended as a flagship park for the City, but it is no
longer.
Mr. Kluznik asked Centex the difference in park land
between the two proposals. Mr. Boyce stated the last
dedication would have been 26.8 acres and this proposal
was 13.4 acres. Mr. Kluznik asked Mr. Boyce what the
community has gained. Mr. Boyce responded, that was for
the community to decide, but that they now had an
acceptable plan. Mr. Kluznik inquired if more park land
could be gained by the City, could Outlot B be dedicated
also? Mr. Boyce responded that the plan meets the
criteria established by City Council.
Mr. Kluznik stated that with the unorthodox pass vote
last August people were not getting what they bargained
for in the parks referendum. Mr. Kluznik stated that 16
years ago he moved into Mendota Heights and there was a
lot on his block that was too small to build on until the
City granted variances and now a small "barracks like"
house existed there and that these kind of things happen.
Kluznik stated he had two goals for any further
proceedings, one, that more park lands be added to this
project, and, two, is it necessary for the City to take
such a hard line stance against anything that is not a
$200,000 home.
Ms. Barb Schmidt, of 2195 Heritage Way, stated she moved
in with the understanding that only manor homes would be
in her area and she was shocked to find out at the City
Open House the density proposed. She stated the new plan
creates traffic and parking problems. Schmidt inquired
what assurance there would be that this will be owner
occupied and not rental. Schmidt stated that parking was
already a problem and stated that fire protection and
snow removal would also be problems.
Chair Dwyer inquired if any Hampshire residents were
present to speak. Mr. Don Pazdernik, of 2472 Hampshire
Court, stated he has been involved in the public hearing
process for this project all along. He stated that the
comments he has listened to tonight are similar to those
heard from Hampshire last year. Pazdernik stated
something worked, the City Council addressed the concerns
of the Hampshire residents who are now happy with the new
plan. He stated he has spoken with his neighbors, who
are familiar with the new plan, and they are very pleased
with the transition, buffers and the street design. He
stated this plan may need some fine tuning.
Mr. Jerry Morson, of 1442 Wachtler, stated he had been
following this issue for over four years and this plan
began with 576 proposed units with detached garages and
heavy objections to density. He stated many improvements
had been made to the plan and he urged the Planning
Commission to recommend approval to the City Council.
Ms. Julie Schreader, of 594 Watersedge Terrace, stated
she is concerned about tree preservation around the ponds
and she felt the Outlot B could be included in the park
dedication. She inquired if Centex could include access
to the pond area and Outlot B. Mr. Boyce stated the
previous plan had park around Owens Pond, but he can't
provide both single family and park /pond. Ms. Schreader
stated the small lots on entrances to Mendota Heights
should be enlarged if possible.
Ms. Jane Ryan, of 2547 Concord Way, stated she had moved
to the manor homes from Fargo, ND and had been given
assurance of manor homes and four - plexes. She showed
Chair Dwyer a copy of the Phase I plat.
Mr. Olson, of the Manor Homes, stated he agrees and
disagrees with his neighbors. He stated he had known the
area east of Phase I would include carriage or coach
houses and he thought they were nice units. He stated he
thinks the carriage homes are charming houses and are not
"barracks ". He disagreed that the carriage homes will
become tenant occupied. Mr. Olson stated that the
carriage homes may be better to have across the street
from the manor homes because you will only face half the
units. He stated he would like to see the 12 unit
buildings reduced to 10 unit buildings and the 10 unit
buildings reduced to 8 unit buildings.
Mr. Olson stated he is a satisfied Centex customer and is
confident Centex will do the homes right. Mr. Olson
stated he disagrees with comments about tenements,
barracks and falling property values. He stated $60,000
is only the starting place for units and when extras are
added the prices go up appreciably.
Commissioner Tilsen asked Mr. Boyce about the market or
buyers that would be interested in the carriage homes.
Mr. Boyce stated buyers would primarily be first time
owners out of apartments or those coming down out of
large homes. Mr. Boyce stated they would be similar
buyers to the manor homes, but not as many elderly
because of the second level in the carriage homes. Chair
Dwyer inquired if Centex would care to comment on the
sentiment expressed that people were misled. Mr. John
Bannigan stated the City has had a very thorough review
process. Bannigan stated he would comment on people left
out of the process. Bannigan stated the City Council had
an obligation to the general welfare of the residents,
not particularly to the welfare of a certain group. He
stated the City Council has to balance the interest of
constituents, parks and tree preservation. Mr. Bannigan
stated the developer had given up 170 units. He stated
this was a plan that could be fine tuned prior to the
Council meeting and he recommended that the Planning
Commission include all the concerns that were raised
tonight so they can be addressed for the City Council.
Mr. James , of 747 Keokuk, stated that Mr. Tilsen's
comments should not be glossed over and that highway
noise considerations and quality of construction should
be considered.
Ms. Barb Schmidt inquired about square footage in the
carriage homes vs. manor homes. Mr. Boyce stated the
carriage homes are 1100 to 1300 sq. ft. Ms. Schmidt
stated her manor home is 1430 sq. ft. and that a carriage
home only opens one side to the outdoors. Mr. Olson
stated he had lived in some extremely nice apartments
around the Twin Cities and all of them opened on only one
side.
Mr. Regan , of 2546 Concord Road, stated he shared
the concerns mentioned by the manor home owners about
density and design layout. He stated he wished to see a
tree barrier along the I -494 corridor to protect the
neighborhood from sound.
Ms. Agnes , of 2502 Concord Way, inquired what the
carriage homes would look like, what exterior materials
they would be built with. Mr. Boyce showed her sketch
elevations.
Chair Dwyer stated he would entertain a motion to close
the public hearing. Commissioner Tilsen moved to close
the public hearing. Commissioner Koll seconded the
motion.
Commissioner Duggan stated he wanted the Centex attorney
to address the concern about the original developer's
agreement and the change from 136 manor homes to 80 manor
homes as proposed in the replatting of Phase I before the
public hearing is closed. Commissioner Duggan inquired
if the developer's agreement addresses the concern of the
manor home owners. Duggan inquired if the developer had
considered these concerns prior to proposing the replat.
Commissioner Duggan inquired if the switch in units is
addressed in the agreement.
Mr. Boyce responded that Phase I and Sketch Plan A and C
are exhibits to the developer's agreement and this is
being changed as a result of the negotiated settlement.
Mr. Bannigan stated the developer had worked within the
spirit of negotiations and that none of the terms,
conditions or criteria were established by the developer,
but by the City. Mr. Bannigan stated the developers are
of the opinion there is no adverse impact on the manor
home owners.
Chair Dwyer called for a vote on the motion to close the
public hearing.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
Chair Dwyer stated he would like to make a recommendation
to the City Council that included all the conditions,
suggestion or concerns the Planning Commission wishes to
attach to any recommendation for the developer to address
prior to the City Council meeting. The Planning
Commission listed their conditions as:
1. Consider adjustments to address the transition area
between the manor homes in Phase I and the carriage homes
in Phase II. Consider manor homes on both sides of
Heritage Way.
2. The Planning Commission has a primary concern for
protecting trees on the single family lots, especially
around Owens Pond and Haverton Circle. They suggested a
Tree Preservation Committee of Planning commissioners and
citizens to work closely with the developer throughout
construction and provide a quarterly report to City
Council. Perhaps document the trees with videotape.
3. A number of specific lot adjustments, or fine tuning were
recommended as conditions. They are:
Block 1, Lots 3 and 6 Lot 3 is only 13,600 sq. ft.
and Lot 6 is 24,800. Suggest a
balance in this cul-de-sac.
Block 1, Lots 4, 17, 18, 22 Grading and front walk outs
considered for these lots to
protect trees and lot grades.
Block 3, Lot 22 Too small for Mendota Hts.
Road.
Block 3, Lots 24, 25, 26,
27, 30, 31, 32
Block 3, Lot 8
Block 4, Lot 1 and 7
Block 4, Lot 17
Block 5, Lot 9
Narrow necks and the close
proximity of driveways needs
adjustment or response.
Front and rear wetlands
setbacks needed for this lot.
Tree and pond preservation plan
for the grading and
construction of this lot.
Lot I too small for Mendota
Hts. Road. Possible balance
with Lot 7 adjustment.
Possibly made bigger by
massaging lot lines up to Lot
13.
6% grade on driveway too steep.
4. Address the lots listed in the July 23, 1991 Planners Report
that are not in compliance with the established criteria.
Particularly, Block 1, Lots 5 and 6; Block 3, Lots 7 and 26;
Block 4, Lot 14, as well as the flag and neck lots.
5. Consider adjustments to and screening for parking provisions
in Carriage Home/Manor Home transition area. Also, Block 5,
Lots 4 and 8. There was not consensus on the Planning
Commission on this item, however, it was discussed.
6. A condition established was to provide a more detailed
landscaping plan. Particularly to show the berming and
screening along the 1-494 corridor. Standards for the berm
were suggested to be a berm as high as possible with a 3:1
slope and a four foot top. The intent is to have the berm
above window level. There should be trees on the berm to
provide additional noise protection from the highway.
7. Address lot elevations and high water lines in Block 7 and
work with engineering staff for a report on grades and
elevations throughout the project.
8. Consider reducing back to back townhomes in density by
changing 12 unit buildings to 10 unit buildings and 10 unit
buildings to 8 unit buildings.
9. Consider changing Claremount Drive to a public right of way.
Address snow removal plan on all private drives, especially
Block 5.
Mr. Boyce stated the owner's association would be
responsible for contracting for snow removal. The
Planning Commission requested to receive a report from
the Fire Department on the site plan and emergency
access.
Commissioner Duggan inquired if any other measures were
taken, besides the City's Noise Attenuation Ordinance, to
mitigate air noise. A manor home resident stated that
the highway noise is worse. Commissioner Duggan inquired
if the State Codes could be exceeded during construction
and stated Centex should evaluate if the noise
attenuation standards are being met.
10. Noise measurement tests should be conducted on existing
buildings completed to test compliance with the City's Noise
Attenuation Ordinance.
11. Outlot B should be considered for inclusion into the park
dedication.
12. Dr. Owen's homesite should be included in the platting as an
outlot.
13. Consider moving Outlot A one lot to the west. Consider
platting Outlot A as a right of way with larger than normal
utility easements and possible side yard setback variances.
14. Submit a driveway plan for Langford Circle, particularly Lots
30, 31 and 32.
15. Provide a minimum 30 ft. separation between multi-family
buildings, particularly Block 7, Lots 1 and 2. Provide a 30
ft. setback to roads, particularly Block 5, Lots 6 and 12.
16. Throughout the project, meet a suggested standard of 3%
maximum grades for the parking/driveways of the carriage
homes; for intersection approaches; and for all cul-de-sacs.
17. Consider tuck under design, or other designs to most
strategically save trees and lot grading; particularly Block
1, Lots 4, 17, 18, and 22. Consider setback variances as a
method to better design building pads for individual lots.
18. Storm water computations provided to engineering staff for
analysis. Of particular concern, is the nature of the pond in
the northern park dedication area.
The Planning Commission also recommended the developer
address any concerns listed in the staff and planner's
reports.
Chair Dwyer inquired if there was consensus on the
Commission for a recommendation based upon the conditions
and suggestions that had been discussed and agreed upon
by the Commission. Commissioner Tilsen stated that the
Commission somewhat has their hands tied on this issue,
there may be better plans in the long run, but you cannot
go backwards. Tilsen stated he would support approval.
Commissioner Koll commended Centex for the compromises
that have been made. Koll stated the 1985 City Council
approved a Comprehensive Plan allowing 570 units in this
area and there now has been a reduction of 46% to 385
units. Koll stated she believes Centex will do an
overall quality project and she will pass approval on the
project. Commissioner Duggan asked for the conditions to
be read aloud by the secretary. The conditions were
repeated.
Chair Dwyer inquired if Centex would donate Outlot B to
the City as park. Mr. Boyce stated he would consider it
prior to the City Council meeting. Commissioner Koll
suggested another condition should be to address the
Police Chief's concern about the street names, Langford
Circle and Sutton Court. The Commission added this as a
condition. Commissioner Tilsen suggested a minimum of 30
ft. separation between buildings be maintained as
outlined in the Planner's Report. Tilsen suggested the
walkouts in the front be considered for Block 1, Lots 4,
17, 18, and 22. Mr. Boyce responded that tuck under
garages are not a good idea with the winters in Minnesota
and not many buyers like front walkouts. Mr. Boyce
suggested that variances to setbacks might be a better
way to address specific layouts for these lots.
Commissioner Duggan inquired if the properties would be
rental or residential. Mr. Bannigan stated the City
Attorney had opined on this issue last year and the City
cannot prevent owners from renting. Mr. Bannigan stated
Centex agreed that these should be owner occupied but
there is no legal way to stipulate this. Duggan stated
Centex advertising should focus on "residential" in order
to discourage renters, as homeowners have more care and
more pride in their homes. The Commission did not
support this suggestion.
Commissioner Duggan inquired about capped wells on the
property. Mr. Boyce stated that to his knowledge there
were no capped wells on the site. Duggan inquired about
the quality assurance plan. Mr. Boyce explained the HOW
program. Mr. Boyce stated this is the largest HOW
program in the U.S. and is 10 year warranty. He stated
it primarily provides warranty if there is defective work
according to a set of building standards, if the builder
won't fix it and it meets the standards then HOW fixes
it. Boyce stated that HOW provides specifications that
determine warranty repairs. He stated the homeowner can
request HOW to inspect if they are in dispute with Centex
and there are arbitration provisions. Boyce stated HOW
gives the homeowner peace of mind and provides standards
for warranty. Boyce stated the provisions are one year
for workmanship and materials, 2 years for mechanical and
10 years for structural warranties. Boyce explained
Centex Homes' quality assurance program. Boyce stated
Centex inquires of each owner at 30 days about any
warranty requests. Commissioner Duggan stated he would
like to see Centex keep the site clean during
construction for the surrounding neighborhoods.
Commissioner Duggan moved that the City Council approve
the settlement plan with the list of conditions generated
by the Planning Commission, including rezoning, CUP for
PUD, Preliminary Plat and Wetlands Permit. Commissioner
Koll seconded the motion.
AYES: 4
NAYS: 0
VERBAL REVIEW
ADJOURN
Administrative Assistant Batchelder provided a verbal
review of last month's planning actions taken by City
Council.
There being no further business, the Planning Commission
adjourned at 11:52 o'clock p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Batchelder
Administrative Ass